Atlético de Madrid - Barcelona; Saturday 2pmEST

By: Isaiah | February 29th, 2008

It’s back to La Liga now, with the Copa semis taking a break for a couple of weeks. It’s another trip to the Calderon to face Atletico Madrid, a team sitting in 4th place, 13 points back of Barcelona and 15 points back of big brother Real Madrid, who will be playing Recreativo at the exact same time. GolTV has, thankfully, decided to confuse absolutely everything and just go ahead and show both games at the same time. I’m not sure how that’s going to work, to be honest, but it’ll be annoying, I can tell you that much.

The squad list has been published and it’s a doozy: Valdés, Pinto, Puyol, Thuram, Milito, Zambrotta, Abidal, Sylvinho, Edmilson, Deco, Gudjohnsen, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Henry, Ronaldinho, Eto’o, Giovani.

Note the absence of Yaya Toure, God of the Defensive Midfield as well as Marquez’s absence. That opens the door to several variations on the theme of “Goddammit, I want Toure back.” Regardless of how Rijkaard plays it, Toure will be missed by this fan. Even if the score is 0-6, which, of course could never ever happen, I’ll be lamenting his absence. I don’t know if Rijkaard will opt for starting the mighty mites (Deco, Iniesta, Xavi), but based on current form it seems the more prudent move; however, Rijkaard could opt for Edmilson, Iniesta, and Deco/Xavi depending on what he believes to be the best approach in a vital away match. Does Frankie Boy want to be defensive and let his forward-thinking midfielders do the work or does he want to push push push like most cules want him to do?

The two most likely variations, from what I can tell, are this:

1. Valdes, Zambrotta, Puyol, Milito, Abidal, Xavi, Iniesta, Deco, Ronaldinho, Eto’o, Messi
2. Valdes, Zambrotta, Puyol, Milito, Abidal, Edmilson, Deco, Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Eto’o, Messi

I could be wrong about Eto’o starting, but seeing as he’s had a couple of pretty great games in a row, works better with Messi and Ronaldinho, he’ll probably be in the starting lineup rather than Henry. The only reason that Eto’o would be on the bench is because Rijkaard believes the Champions League match is more important than the league match and he needs to rest Eto’o for that. As almost any conceivable scoreline will go in favor of FCB rather than Celtic, Henry should be saved for that match, rather than the far more important league away match that we’ve got on our hands here.

I am not, by any means, an Henry denier. He’s good. He’s very good. He’s probably some sort of upper-echelon great, but he’s not, I repeat, not better than our Samu. Perhaps over his career he has done more (ask Arsenal fans), but at Barcelona, very few have done more. Comparing goal averages is one way to do that (Samu wins hands down, both lifetime and especially this year); injuries have been Eto’o’s downfall of late, but if he can stay healthy, he’s on pace to achieve absurd numbers. Obviously he will not continue to contribute 1 goal per appearance (I imagine something like 1.2 goals per 90 minutes because he’s made a substitute appearance), but even when you factor in his other appearances (Champions League and Copa del Rey), Samu has 9 goals in 12 appearances (0.75 goals per game). Henry, on the other hand, has fewer league goals in over twice the number of appearances (19 appearances, 7 goals; an average of 0.37 goals per game). He has a very respectable 13 goals in 28 appearances overall, including 3 goals in 5 Champions League games, but that is an overall average of 0.46 goals per game. (For reference, Samu’s lifetime FCB La Liga goals per game average is 0.704; Henry’s lifetime average at Arsenal was 0.685)

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Henry’s output. He’s doing very well for his first year in a new league, on a new team, and in a new culture. However, Samu is just that much better and I’d like to see him on the field. I realize that statistics can lie, especially when you don’t take them all into account (passing percentage, assists, and then the intangibles, of course), but for forwards, the most telling stat is goals. Not shots per goal or even shots on goal, but rather just goals. Pure and simple: score more and you are better. Samu has done that, so he deserves to be the starter.

Beyond that, the idea that Rijkaard will ever start Ronnie, Henry, Eto’o, and Messi together is silly. That just plain won’t happen for several reasons. The most important reason is, I think, defense. If you remove one of the midfielders, you open up a hole that no amount of backtracking by forwards can really cover, especially without Toure there to stymie any center-of-the-field counterattacks. The other reasons deal mostly with the logistics of getting a ball to 4 people who are all calling for it and all pretty much in the same part of the field. Certainly our attacks would be insanely talented, but that wouldn’t do much because an opposing defense would be even more compacted, creating fewer and fewer chances from close-range (and the “Fantastic 4″ would certainly play in close rather than shooting from range). Another factor involved in this particular game would be substitutions. With Bojan injured, there is one less striker to put out there and leaving Gio as your only attacking option on the bench is a pretty foolhardy way to start a match. It’s not that Gio is bad, but he’s just one player and you need at least two attacking options on the bench, I think. Guddie could be one of those subs, of course, but he’s been playing as a low-lying midfield playmaker recently, so I’m discounting him as a real attacking option. Better to hold both Xavi and Henry on the bench and allow Edmilson to try to do his thing before letting the offense go nutso in the second half in need-be. Xavi could start for Edmilson, though, if Rijkaard wants to be able to put out a defensive midfielder midway through the second half.

There’s this other team, though, that should be discussed: Atletico. I hear they’ll be on the field too. Here is their squad: Falcón, Antonio López, Cléber Santana, Forlán, Raúl García, Luis García, Agüero, Maxi Rodríguez, Abbiati, Zé Castro, Jurado, Reyes, Miguel de las Cuevas, Mista, Perea, Pablo, Valera, Simao, Camacho.

Aguero returns from suspension, but has a little knock and may not be able to go the full 90; I expect him to, though, because he’s a fiery little bastard and he sure loves the competition. He and Forlan should be starting up front, with Simao returning from injury behind them. along with Ignacio Camacho.

For those of you who don’t know, Camacho is a 17-year old prodigy child superwonder that Atletico has been keeping under wraps until now. He’s not only expected to debut in the league against Barcelona, but start against us. To be honest, the kid is probably amazing. But. This is not some JV game that he’s walking into. It’s not Levante; it’s mother f-ing Barcelona. So, Javier Aguirre, if you’d like to start him against Xavi, Iniesta, or Deco, be my guest. I think he’ll be eaten alive, not because he doesn’t have talent, but because he’s never, not once, played at that high a level. Perhaps he’s played for Spain’s youth international teams, but not even U-21 is as good as Barcelona-Atletico. The difference in skill is insane, seeing as most of the players on the field are first team choices for their full national teams (in Barcelona’s case, only Edmilson isn’t a usual starter and if he doesn’t start, then every single FCB player will have started the previous competitive match of their national side*); welcome to the big-leagues, Camachito. Expect Deco to slice off one of his legs (and earn that all-important 10th card) sometime around the 30th minute. You know it’s going to happen even if they play nowhere near each other.

We aren’t going to beat them 3-0 like we did at the Camp Nou on October 7 (goals from Deco, Messi, and Xavi; naturally Xavi’s was in the 90th minute). Read my review of it here. It’s interesting, at least to me, to note this line of the review: “Are we the best team in Spain right now? I think so. RM might have a 2 point lead on us, but would they want to play us right now? I doubt it…for now I’m of the opinion that Barcelona is the team to beat in La Liga, even with all of our injuries.” Hell, that describes right now! No Toure and yet we’re still cock of the walk! Some quick statistical nonsense:

Atleti’s home record: 7W-2D-4L; 27GF, 18GA
Barca’s away record: 4W-6D-2L; 16GF, 11GA

Interestingly, Atleti’s 18 goals are the 4th worst in the league at home (behind Valencia’s and Levante’s 21 and Depor’s 19). That’s not something I’ve come to expect from them — last year’s game hosting us was an aberration and we all know it — and I expect them to bounce back at some point soon. They’ve lost 2 straight in the league and they were just bounced from the UEFA Cup (Valencia beat them in the Copa del Rey quarters) as well as having lost 4 of their last 6, drawing one of those others. They’ve scored in their last 4 games, even the two losses, so they’re certainly capable of scoring against us. However, Barca is tied for the best away defensive record in the league (11 allowed, tied with Real Madrid and behind only Atletico (10 allowed). So it depends what team shows up; rojiblanco fans will be hoping it’s the away defense that shows up and the home offense.

Official prediction: 1-2 Barcelona wins. The reason I say this is because we’ve been firing on all cylinders and I think Roanldinho, after making statements to the press that he should play for 90 minutes, will prove that he deserves to play all the time. Camacho will be subbed off early in the second when it’s obvious he can’t play with the big boys just yet, though he’ll show flashes of the brilliance to come. Aguero will score on a silly counter attack that Toure would have dealt with, but Edmilson will not be capable of. Messi and Eto’o will score. How’s that for definitive.

*I could be wrong about that because of Puyol, but I don’t think I am. I’m just too lazy to check. Ronaldinho too, but even so, I think he qualifies as a regular starter.





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  • Jay |  February 29th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

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    Id definitely prefer Xavi over Edmilson. What midfielders do you think Barca will be chasing during the summer? No problem ballbeav, this is the way Ive had to watch all games this season. Sucks to be poor.:(

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  • Isaiah |  February 29th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

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    ballbeav, you might be right about his tone. I read it in Spanish as well, but I was at work and I may have merely misinterpreted some of his words as being a bit stronger than they were meant because I was just glancing through stuff.

    However, I think that some of what he said (”[Quiero] ayudar al equipo con lo mejor que tengo y creo que jugando los 90 minutos es como mejor lo puedo hacer” — which I translate as “[I want] to help the team as best I can and I believe that playing 90 minutes is how I can best do that.”) is suggestive of the fact that he thinks he should be playing. That is not to say that meant it like “I am the greatest, bow to my will, Rijkaard” but more that he’s a highly competitive player who has an ego and thinks he should play 90 minutes a game because that’s what he was born to do. Fair enough, says I.

    Kevin, I wasn’t trying to suggest that the idea of starting Ronaldinho, Eto’o, Henry, and Messi together was silly, but that thinking Rijkaard would ever be that tactically aggressive is, actually, silly. Because Rijkaard doesn’t take risks like that really.

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  • Kevin |  February 29th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

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    I’ll buy that, Isaiah. One reason I think that he isn’t the man for us any longer. I’m craving a coach who might roll the dice. It might not work, or it might be a goal-raining bit of brilliance that redefines the game. Dunno.

    But indeed, Rijkaard would never, EVER think that much outside the box. I suppose that with NFL-like unlimited substitutions, you could try it for 5 or 10 minutes, then go back to a more traditional reality.

    Man, it sure would be cool to see the Fantastic Four on the pitch at the same time, though. Even for a few minutes.

    Now the real question is: Will I be able to deplane, get my checked baggage, pick up my rental car and get to a place showing the match by at least halftime? :D

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  • jake |  March 1st, 2008 at 3:04 am

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    Shit. Is anybody else really pissed off about our ridiculous, unjustified faith in Jorquera? Why didn’t we keep Pinto?

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  • Isaiah |  March 1st, 2008 at 8:01 am

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    I’ll be at Nevada Smiths today to see the games, if anyone is around and would like to stop by. I don’t know how to point out who I am other than to say hey, I’m the skinny 24-year old guy with a scruffy beard, glasses, the orange away shirt (or a bright blue Kansas Jayhawks sweatshirt if, for some reason, it’s cold in there), and maybe a girlfriend.

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  • Kyle |  March 1st, 2008 at 10:23 am

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    I was close in my lineup prediction. Edmilson does get the nod and Henry will start today in place of Messi, not Eto’o. Today’s starting XI: Valdes, Zambrotta, Puyol, Milito, Abidal, Edmilson, Iniesta, Xavi, Ronnie, Henry, Eto’o. I’m guessing Eto’o split out right and Ronnie out left with Henry in the middle. If we somehow give up a goal and they sit back with 9 behind the ball, the possibility of seeing the fantastic four exists. Maybe bring Messi on for Edmilson?!? Hopefully GolTV doesn’t botch this broadcast (like I know they will) and we get to see a majority of our game today. FYI, GolTV will replay the Barca match in its entirety tomorrow at 3:00 PM EST. Forza Barca!

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  • Kyle |  March 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am

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    BTW, Camacho and Aguero get the nod today.

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  • Jay |  March 1st, 2008 at 11:21 am

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    Barcelona 1 point away currently!!!!

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  • Jay |  March 1st, 2008 at 11:34 am

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    Hooooooooooooly Shit!!!! Chilena by Ronnie.

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  • Kyle |  March 1st, 2008 at 11:34 am

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    GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

    INCREDIBLE!!!!! RONNIE’S OFFICIALLY BACK WITH A FINISH LIKE THAT.

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  • Lee |  March 1st, 2008 at 11:35 am

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    Holy hell that was amazing from the Dinho. Looked happy as hell, too - rightly so. Barca!

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  • Kyle |  March 1st, 2008 at 11:40 am

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    Milito got turned inside out on that goal by Aguero. Tough break with the Puyol deflection. Stay offensive and push forward Barca. It’d be nice to tally one more before half.

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  • Kyle |  March 1st, 2008 at 11:43 am

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    Tough break on the deflection, but Milito got turned inside out. Aguero made him look silly and got lucky with the Puyol deflection. Barca needs to sure up their D, looking very shaky right now.

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  • Jay |  March 1st, 2008 at 12:31 pm

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    Complete meltdown :(

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  • Jay |  March 1st, 2008 at 12:35 pm

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    Grrrrrr I despise this simulcast.

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  • Kyle |  March 1st, 2008 at 12:49 pm

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    Is the simulcast a product of GolTV or does GolTV buy purchase the video feed from another company? I’m curious as to what consumer actually enjoys this product. The only way to get through it is to have the Radio Barca feed streaming on my laptop. I mute it when the match is on GolTV and turn it on when they switch to the RM match.

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  • llobster |  March 1st, 2008 at 1:00 pm

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    once again we piss away a chance to take the lead (or at least stay close after the wacky game in huelva). henry was junk and edmilson should never have started. dinho tho…amazing bike

    even tho ramos is probably the only merengue i like (he’s a sevillista and ridiculously good), his cocky attitude finally got the best of him and he may be riding the pine for a while.

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  • fahmibustaman |  March 1st, 2008 at 1:02 pm

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    Wrong starting eleven. Didn’t look like Frank interested to win this game. Puyol and Milito like 2 ugly twin who can’t even think where to cleat the ball. Edmilson is terrible. Its a disaster to put him at the center again for the next one. Sell him to Chelsea next season. Ronnie goal was awesome. But the chemistry between 3 strikers were not there. Aghhhhhhh…… shit asss… Evil empire won. 5 points deficit.

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  • JC |  March 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pm

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    I’ve been pissed off about something since the celtic game..For the champions league, Messi is one card away from a one match suspension…Having won that match against celtic and being in a good position to get through, Messi should have collected another card in that match. That way, he would have to sit out for the celtic match and he could have played the entire 90 minutes last nite..
    He could have done some serious damage, he was getting into the groove……….

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  • riad |  March 1st, 2008 at 10:52 pm

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    JC, I completely agree with u on that one…You could terll he was getting his groove on; I am always in treat how this player can always pass defenders…Last nite I also realized that he is a genious in passing cause you can tell that he hits the defenders with the ball so it can deflect right back to him as pass them..However, Rikkard again pissed me off with the wrong 11…Wrong everything…You can tell he did not show half the enthusiasm he’d shown in the Valencia game. Why in the hell would you not start Messi and Deco..NO justification what so ever.Iniesta was shit..Milito also and to top them all off Puyol…A direct reason in 2 goals scored on us. why the hell would Puyol foul Aguerro especially that there is nothin Aguerro could have done with that high ball. Valdes, whata dumb useless goalee..Can’t list all the players but will say everybody played like shit except for Ronnie’s amazin goal and messi pushin forward but with no good use. We almost were there but u can tell Rikkard came in for only a draw

    Guys…Gotta say Argentina looks and smells and tastes like the next world cup champion with effective and impressive players like Messi and Aguerro
    Hands down; Aguerro was the man of the match and striked me as a such brilliant strong player…Tevez, messi, Aguerro, rekelme. aimar, machirano, crespo, milito, heinze and the list goes on and on and on…
    About this topic, there is this new argentinan striker..14 yrs old, Barca and real madrid are fighting over him now which for the first time ever in history they do for such a young player, but madrid fearing of leaving a new messi-maradona kid growing in Camp-Nou
    Anybody knows his name???

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  • Ciaran |  March 2nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm

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    I have to say, Kun bent us over and did the dirty to our whole defense. He was awesome. I do believe that he would look good in Red/Blue instead of Red/White. Messi, Kun and Eto’o for next season… or some season

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  • ballbeav |  March 2nd, 2008 at 9:58 pm

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    interesting to contrast the barca-atletico match of yesterday with the big madrid derby a couple months ago. atletico completely dominated madrid for the first 75 minutes, hitting the post time and time again, forcing saves from casillas, and just pouring forward. then madrid scores late, takes the wind out of the rojiblanco sails, scores again, and, in classic RM style this season, gets three points they barely seemed to deserve.

    and yesterday, we have most of the possession, create some chances (granted not as many as we should), and it seem atletico scores every time they go forward. and we lose. that sums up the RM season and our season. this pattern is unjust but i guess thats football.

    xavi played pretty well, with a hand in both goals. he was more active than iniesta, which is rare.

    edmilson was crap, eto’o barely saw the ball…and where was iniesta? it is true, we were focused on the celtic match and were probably playing for a tie, but it backfired. but, we were 5 points back two weeks ago, so, no net change. a lackadaisical display, but we know that there is another barca, and it will come back. still lots of games left.and i am sure edmilson willl not be out there much.

    favorite line from rayhud, on the ronnie goal: “this is the one they will be cutting down forests to write about!”

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  • TJ |  March 3rd, 2008 at 1:06 am

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    From what i remember reg. the Atletico-Madrid derby, Real Madrid actually scored a goal below the one minute mark (41 sec- Raul) and somewhere above the 40th minute mark(Van Nistelrooy) =)Nobody scored after half time and oh yeah Madrid dominated the second half of the match. I know nobody’s asking but its just a correction.

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  • ballbeav |  March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm

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    @ TJ: you are right, i got the goals confused with another game. but it was true that atletico created tons during that game and had much more possession. maybe because real madrid was sitting back. but my impression was that atletico looked to be the better side on the pitch, only they didnt have the goals to show for it.

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  • Isaiah |  March 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm

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    It’s true, though, that Atletico is a brilliant side that routinely fails to prove that. At the beginning of every year, they are supposed to be solid contenders for the CL spots, if not quite considered league contenders. And every year they flatter to deceive, showing their chok-a-holic side every time April comes rolling around.

    And it’s those chokes that make us forget that they were, actually, supposed to be really good only a few months ago; I don’t think anything has fundamentally changed except that now people are looking at Atleti with renewed love, once again. I hope, because of who I support, that they fail bitterly in the end, another disastrous bookend April, another failed promise of European glory. I’m not sure why I dislike Atleti as much as I do, but I do. It’s just that they are definitely very good and we have to give them credit for that. They beat us by being better than we were on the day; sure, I blame Rijkaard’s lack of judgment in his starting rotation, but we were up 0-1 (and how!!!) so we shouldn’t have done anything but win. We didn’t and that’s our fault. Atleti deserved the win, for all the harrying and moving they did against our sluggish midfield.

    Henry was trash and shouldn’t have started (I’m sorry to have to say I told you so, but it’s true, I told you so. Henry disappears to often, especially compared to Messi); Messi on the bench was silly if he was fully fit — acting as if Wednesdays Champions League game is more important is just another way of sticking your head up your own ass, regardless of what the Barcelona leadership says; we’re in this to win domestic championships and away matches at the Calderon are how you do that, not home matches against Celtic that we have a massive advantage in — Iniesta was actually crap; Puyol looked more like me than a real footballer thanks to Aguero, and Milito wasn’t too sparkling either. That lack of cohesion I blame on Edmilson, though I don’t necessarily think that he’s as bad as all the others guys in Nevada Smiths seemed to think (they yelled Fuera! and Bullshit! anytime he touched the ball, even if it was a good touch), but he hasn’t had the time to settle into a role, so why go for it now, when we could have had Deco out there? Silly decisions, but there are lots of things I don’t understand about the inner machinations of FCB, namely who is injured and to what extent.

    Should we have won on Saturday? Probably. But we didn’t show up for the latter 3 quarters of the match, so we walked away with a 5 point deficit. That’s how it goes. At some point we’ll have the opportunity to make those points back up and we had better be prepared to take full and complete advantage of that. We’ll take it to them at the Bernabeu, I’m positive, but we’d better be able to win that match or it’s all over. I don’t like gifts from Madrid, but right now, we need one to get this back in our favor.

    CL tomorrow, though, which is an important match (despite what I said above, it’s the most important match we’re going to play tomorrow). A preview later tonight before Kansas takes on Tech on ESPN.

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