Shakhtar 1-Barca 2, a.k.a. “Augggg…um…yaaaaaay!”

By: Kevin | October 1st, 2008

Okay, the last time I wrote “Are you kidding me?” I’m just not sure what to write this time as our lads have done it again, lulling a team to sleep with dithering, back and forth balls before finally, late in the match, deciding that it was time to work the full-on mojo. One goal was a favor, the other was just exquisite, and you know what? We’ll take them both.

Ye gods, what a win!!!! What a crazy, improbable win fueled almost entirely by the magic man, our petito Argentino, Lionel Messi.

When Xavi was asleep on the plane dreaming, I’m betting he wasn’t conceiving of this one. I’m getting tired of typing this, but again….a Rijkaard team doesn’t win this match.

And let’s be clear about this one. This report isn’t going to be all sunshine and “Yay, we won!” We were tired-looking, meandering shit for about 70 minutes of this match. We looked tired, tired, tired.

Starting XI: Valdes, Alves, Pique, Marquez, Puyol, Yaya, Keita, Iniesta, Xavi, Henry, Eto’o.

I had two thoughts when I saw that starting lineup. 1. Wow, we’re really after the offense, but with the safety net to keep things in check (except for that Puyol/Marquez turtle tandem). But with the double mids of Keita and Yaya, okay. 2. Is Guardiola on crack? Those guys are all tired after that Espanyol match, both physically and psychologically. The bold-face names played every minute of the Barcelona derby.

And they looked it. Shakhtar looked to take advantage of the very clear fatigue. Make no mistake about it. Our susceptibility to their physical play was enabled by fatigue. The cuts weren’t sharp, the passes weren’t on the money, the movement off the ball verged on nonexistent. Fresh, we destroy Shakhtar for daring to play high as they were, pressuring the ball. One elegant pass, one slick run and that strategy is all done for.

Henry seemed to sense that, and seemed to expend all of his remaining energy on a pass that he really should have controlled and finished. It’s a chance that, if he wants people to take his bleating about being a goal scorer when he plays centrally seriously, he has to freaking bury. Hitting it right at the keeper is just unacceptable. He scores that great chance, one that one of the best strikers in the world is supposed to take, and the match is over. Shakhtar’s worst nightmare is realized, and we maybe put 2 or 3 more goals on them for good measure.

Instead, they were encouraged, and we let them play football. Cut and move, you suckers! Everybody looked clumsy on the ball. The only bright spot, really, was (again!) Iniesta. His movement, cutting and intent were on the mark. But one man isn’t going to pierce a team that really, really played well and kept its shape defensively, and pressured the ball high up the pitch offensively.

Kinda our formula. Yes, the possession stats were heavily in our favor, but it was all meaningless possession of the kind a team is more than happy to give us.

Who knew it was the snake charmer thing, lulling Shakhtar to sleep? Not me, that’s for sure. I was all ready to bash away at the keys, a snarling, dyspeptic screed about how la regime Guardiola needs work.

I love being wrong.

And about that Shakhtar goal. Can’t blame Abidal for that one, eh? (Insert demonic laughter.) A long ball that again, that Pique casually sashays after and heads into danger, directly into the path of the attacker. Poor Puyol is there trying to make a play but not really being fast or strong enough to get in front of the defender, or muscle him off the ball. A deft lob over a venom-spitting Valdes does the business, and Shakhar are rolling. The fans are giddy, the players are energized, and we’re all saying “Oh, shit.”

But wait….we’re going to respond, right? So we did, with more toothless, meandering football. Guardiola looked like you could have fried an egg on his forehead. Clearly, changes were coming in the second half, but he wanted to be patient.

A word about Shakhtar’s tactics. They work against tired teams, or teams that you are just better than offensively, allowing you to translate that high line into goals. The physical play is the equalizer, as in when the other team gets the ball and is looking dangerous, just foul somebody. Shakhtar were very good at that. Can somebody please, please, PLEASE explain to me how in the hell that ref let Brandao go almost 90 minutes without a yellow?

Wait….English ref. No blood, no foul. Elbows, kicking and in the second half, just falling down were the Shakhtar tactics. The officiating played right into their hands. We are always going to be on the wrong side of a foul fest, and if an official lets it happen, sides will be allowed to kick us right off the pitch. Yes, he was non-calling it both ways, but there weren’t really calls to make against us, because we weren’t doing anything.

So, here we are in the second half, and what happens? Pretty much craziness. We started out the second half like gangbusters, all business for about 5 minutes or so, until the energy ran out, as I knew it would. Sorry, but you just can’t play a match such as we played on Sunday, and expect to be very good on Wednesday. So we weren’t.

Until the wee one entered. As the great line from the movie “Tombstone” goes, “I’m a coming, and hell’s coming with me.”

Once Messi entered, the movement began. And once the movement began, the rest was inevitable. Even with Shakhtar deciding to step out of their shell, whenever they did, Messi made them pay. The first goal was a simple one, based in their effort to disrupt the game by falling to the pitch and rolling around every chance they got. It was despicable, really, a cynical attempt that sullied a well-played, scrappy match by that side.

And then, off a quick restart, Krkic laces a ball in that, inexplicably, the keeper spilled. Messi was there with the quickness for the tap-in, and suddenly the match was tied. The Shakhtar lads were mightily vexed, presumably because they were feeling that because one of their lot had drummed up a bullshit, exceedingly temporary injury, that we should have kicked the ball out, to let them play it back to us, all sportsman-like. Well how in the hell are we supposed to feel sporting, when your lads have spent the entire night kicking us off the pitch?

Ain’t gonna happen.

Now, it’s worth noting that Messi by himself didn’t do the business. He needed, strangely enough, Gudjohnsen fumbling around out there in the midfield, making the Shakhtar players giggle, and Krkic’s quicksilver movement, to break things loose. From then on, beauty slays beast.

And now, player ratings:

Valdés: 7. Solid as a rock, and is getting much better about coming off his line to control his space. He couldn’t do a damn thing about that goal except fume, which he did very effectively. Yes, people love to hate him but really, he kept us in the match with some very good play.

Alves: 4. Only his free kicks saved him. Brandao beat his ass like a gong all night, literally and figuratively. Alves is supposed to be faster than that mack truck, right? Then why wasn’t he? Jaysus! I’m glad that the lads have finally figured out that he’s the one to take free kicks. He almost hit one in, requiring a strong save from Shakhtar’s keeper. Still. If you aren’t going to play defense, then kick ass on offense. I’m kind of thinking that Del Nido is sniggering into his cloven hooves right now.

Puyol: 4. Outclassed and slow. Yes, the effort was there. Yes, the fire is still there. But who among us doubts that two years ago, that ball doesn’t even come close to troubling Valdes? Even one year ago. The half-life of a player is vicious. And it hurts to say that. Really, truly hurts. But whenever Puyol is on the back line with Marquez of late, things just look particularly unsettled. Call it the old “double pokey” corollary. Give me Abidal at left back all day. He’s in place before the ball even drops, and our clean sheet is in the house.

Márquez: 6. Very solid match, much better than he’s been playing. He stayed home more, rather than getting caught up the pitch. We do miss his long, attack-starting passes from the back, but Shakhtar were playing much too tight to allow those kinds of balls. Did his job whenever called upon.

Piqué: 4. And he almost got another point deduction for continued casualness. He has to play like a man. That header was almost as good as a pass to the defender, making a difficult job for Puyol that much more so. He was in position, which is the worst part. He just screwed up, plain and simple. I still think he’s the business, but he’s too erratic right now.

Yaya: 7. You could almost tell that he knew how the match was going to be called. When fouled, he just kept going, knowing the call wasn’t going to happen. He also made some excellent defensive plays, saving Alves’ bacon on a couple of occasions. Just as I was thinking, we need our truck to stop their truck, along came Yaya. We needed him today, for sure. He brought what stability we had in the midfield.

Keita: 4. There was a rumor that he was on the pitch. I’m not believing it without evidence, however. Did he suck down some punk juice before the match? Be a physical presence, dude. Look to your teammate from Cote d’Ivoire for inspiration. If Keita plays as he should have, we have much more control of the middle of the pitch.

Xavi: 5. Yes he picked it up in the second half, and made the pass for the go-ahead goal. But man, he looked tired. Again, I thought that he shouldn’t have played, and had we had Hleb, he probably wouldn’t have. He was still very smart and calm with the ball, but his usual movement and pin-point passing were mostly absent. The Messi ball late was exquisite. Easy, but also easy to screw up.

Iniesta: 7. SPF45 came to play. He did some of his disappeaing stuff, but that was mostly because he had no options, as he was often the only player on the move or showing any intent with the ball. I can’t believe he got a yellow for diving. He was cleared out for sure. Not sure what that shitebag ref was thinking on that call.

Henry: 4. He has to take that chance. If you want the center and it’s given to you, take the chance and keep the spot with hard work and excellence. He held the ball too long in general, and let the Shakhtar defense neutralize him. Where was the pace that was on such fine display against Espanyol? Still in Espanyol, that’s where. Still not sure why he started this match.

Eto’o: 4. When he wasn’t playing center, he was just running around out there, with no purpose. He is making more of an effort to play with Henry, but still. He needs to get a lot better. His first touch is so erratic. And would somebody, anybody tell me how he didn’t score that goal? It was almost like he ran over the ball. Every time he gets the chance to bury Henry and seize the position once and for all, he has a match like this one.

Substitutes

Messi: 9. Hell. Freakin’. Yeah! The late brace does the business. He was precisely the kind of player needed to break Shakhtar loose–one that is slick and wriggly, and able to glue the ball to his foot. When the shot came in from Krkic, he was the only player to move to the goal mouth in case the shot was spilled, something offensive players should always do. He really ripped it up, and what a killer finish on that second goal. It looked easy, but it sure wasn’t. The Force is strong in this one.

Krkic: 6. Nice cross, lots of great work and slippery as a lubed-up eel, he really threw the Shakhtar defense off balance. He made a real difference with his presence, as he was almost always looking to move forward rather than playing the lateral ball that gave the defense a chance to track it and keep its shape. Great scoring chance that he couldn’t take, but those will come. He, like Messi, was all movement and offensive intent.

Gudjohnsen: 5. He worked hard, and got in the way. And really, the humor value of having an actual, moving monument out there is not to be underestimated. You could see him trying to move to some balls, but he just wasn’t fast enough. Not even close. Shakhtar must have loved to see him come onto the pitch. But he does chase the ball around, which unsettles defenders.

Guardiola: 6. He had to have known better with that wishful thinking starting lineup. Messi was a no-brainer substitution. So was Krkic. If Krkic starts, along with maybe Pedro, we can punish Shakhtar for their impetuousness, and don’t need any late heroics.

I’m a little worried about the Atletico match. Eto’o, Henry and Xavi all looked exhausted. They probably fly back tomorrow, which gives basically two days to recover for a very difficult match on Saturday. What helps is that they also played today, so we should be on even footing. We’ll see.






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  • ursus arctos |  October 3rd, 2008 at 4:27 am

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    Ramzi, I’m not judging anyone.

    I’m just making a general observation. Style has an impact on how one is perceived, especially in an internet forum such as this, where few of us actually know each other and several of us are writing in a second or third language.

    I’m sure that you do great things in “real life”; I like to think that I do too. I also value your contributions here, just as I value those of everyone else.

    I’m also from New York, and therefore think that the Camp Nou regulars are actually quite restrained in their criticism of the team. Everything is relative.

    Sincere apologies if you were offended by my comment, it wasn’t intended that way at all.

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  • Ramzi |  October 3rd, 2008 at 4:50 am

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    Lets have a drink….(for those who drink).
    And Pep, I will give you my mobile number so you sms me my spelling mistakes…You will know too much about it now (the ZBELLINGZ)…more than others and that make you dangerous ;)

    But you have to be fair and admit, things are getting better isn’t it pep? lol

    I thought I solved this problem through writing on word document and paste it where needed. But its Barcelona fault Genis, they need to add the players names to the dictionary, thats the part word can’t correct.

    ursus arctos, I am lucky you are in New York, or else I would have to buy you a drink…

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  • Kxevin |  October 3rd, 2008 at 5:07 am

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    Morning, everyone! Things have been busy during my beauty sleep.

    Genis, I admit to having layers of Barca fandom:

    Casual fans, who think the side is pretty cool, and think it’s nifty to walk around in Barca shirts. But they might still think that Ronaldinho is on the squad.

    Cules, who, despite the common view that they are ALL Barca fans, I have come to think of as a more fleeting, flighty sort, the kind who are waving white for no real justification, and begin calling for the sale of players and/or the firing of coaches after a few bad matches or outings.

    Socis are a different strata. They can have cule tendencies, but are usually committed to the club even as they have strong opinions about players, coaches and the effectiveness of strategy. Even though only a few of us are in fact official socis, I tend to think of everyone here as a soci, in their support of, and dedication to the side.

    I’ll be more cautious in my use of the descriptives and their attendant tendencies, because you’re right. People might find it easy to draw inferences that Barca supporters are a flighty bunch. And while many certainly are, there are a great many more who aren’t.

    But this is true of many a team. I can’t tell you the number of Cubs baseball fans who are on suicide watch right now. And I’m only partly kidding. New York-based Ursus Arctos knows exactly what I mean, I’m sure. :D

    I should add that I’ve never had the chance to experience the negativity at the Camp Nou. I’ve only witnessed one loss at the grounds, in the ‘05 Gamper match, to Juventus. So everything has been sweetness and light. Probably makes me a talisman of some sort.

    Pep posted a nice piece from Sport.es about Messi and his high possibility of hamstring injury risk:

    http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2008/10/medical-messi-has-high-injury-risk.html

    As I commented over there, certain players do have certain risks of injury. Hips are my weak spot, thanks to long legs, big feet, short torso and a very high torque capacity. The way that Messi stops, starts and cuts, coupled with the relative shortness of his hamstring muscle, not to mention his overall muscle thickness, does indeed mean that he has to be careful.

    The Sport piece goes on to say that Barca’s medicos have limited him to 120 game minutes per week, which might explain his super sub status vs Shakhtar. But, given as how the Atletico match is on a Saturday, that will still be within the week, as Espanyol was on Sunday, and Shakhtar on a Wednesday. So we’ll see. The schedule calms down a bit after Saturday, but internationals are also looming, to fill that gap between Atletico and Athletic (Bilbao).

    Also, don’t forget that Messi’s severe hamstring injuries of the past mean that the area will never, ever be as it was.

    That Guardiola’s medical staff is working to idenfity and prevent player injuries is another encouraging sign. It isn’t worth risking a player’s long-term health for a single match, I’ve long believed. Better to rest someone than have him injure himself. I’m sure we all thought that Messi came back too soon in that CL tie last season, and look what happened.

    Finally, we all have different communications styles in real life, just as we do via this format. I’m a journalist in said real life, so I tend to be precise (and frankly, wordy) and more fluent with the language than someone who doesn’t work with words for a living. Some, more accustomed to the Web-casual world, might consider me rather stuffy and mightily vexing. “Get to the point, dude!” :D

    In a nutshell, we all are as we are, a gathering of Barca nuts who like to natter about our favorite side. Do it however y’all like, with as many winks and smilies as anyone sees fit. Sometimes, in the complexity of communicating in a printed word world in which nuance can be lost, a smilie can make an otherwise-inflammatory comment be seen as it should be.

    So rock on, I say.

    p.s. Still no word on the Web-based penya.

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  • Genis |  October 3rd, 2008 at 5:26 am

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    “I’ve only witnessed one loss at the grounds”… Lucky you!

    From The Woods Of El Montseny, going to make a toast to you all after I shut down everything since a storm that I saw coming is now right over my head :o

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  • ursus arctos |  October 3rd, 2008 at 5:50 am

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    I’m actually living in Milan right now, but Kxevin is dead right about my family having taken all of my belts and put the sharp knives away . . .

    Then again, it’s been 99 years, so some of us are unfortunately used to the Cubs doing this.

    And I’m a lawyer, so if Kxevin thinks he’s wordy and formal, he ain’t seen nuttin’ (as we would say at home)

    Visca Barca!

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  • andrew |  October 3rd, 2008 at 7:56 am

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    i really dont have, and dont claim to have the experience of all of you guys who have been writing about this issue (genis, ramzi, ursos, kevin)as i am still young (23) and have not yet begun my professional career (still working my way through university to be a paleo-anthropologist) but from what i have seen on the tv and read in the media (i know these are definitly not the most accurate ways of getting information, which is why i love this blog for its diversity of opinion but its all we have sometimes) it seemed last year at the end of the season that all the whistling and booing of players off the field, namely deco and eto’o DID affect them and cause them to be troubled. i am not saying that they were angel players and didnt deserve to be brought down to earth again, but it is a case of the crowds whistles affecting more experienced players. i also dont know if that is 15000 fans whistling or the whole camp nou, but from what i could see on tv, a lot of the fans were waving the white hankerchief. perhaps it is just the angles that the camera chooses to show us, but not having been in the camp nou myself, it is hard to understand the total atmosphere as opposed to what the cameras and media agencies choose to show us. so we have to make of it what we will.
    in the print media, particularly internet-based (living in new york there arent many printed soccer papers) soccer news sites (goal.com, thetimes.com/sport etc) tend to emphasise that barca fans (not sure how much of an umbrella term that is?) tend to be very impatient. they seem to demand victory and lose the plot when things dont go there way. this, to a degree, is understandable, barca is a great team and should be winning. but they cannot possibly win everything every year, we wouldnt appreciate the victories without having tasted defeat. think about liverpool fans, they havent won anything big for a long time, they get close (champs league finals ((although they did win one champs league was it 5 or 6 years ago)) ) but the fans keep supporting their team.

    i am in no way taking sides in this debate, but i thought that as someone who hasnt been to the camp nou and only gets to experience barca through the media, i have a fairly neutral opinion regarding the fans.

    but i do know better than to take what i read in the media as gospel and am ever critical of what i read, as should everybody. a lot of people that present soccer media in the usa, such as tommy smythe (the irish commentator with the ridiculous expressions) in my opinion is a big EE supporter and is not very critical of them while being pretty negative about barcelona, so it goal.com news and that guy ewan mcdonald, he reads as a madridista.

    so it is all relative, so i understand ramzi’s point, while at the same time understanding genis’ and ursos’ points. from an outside point of view it can be hard or even impossible to truly undertsand what it is like to watch barca in the camp nou, (i would love to and plan to in 2009!!) but until then the only means we have of forming an opinion is through the media, which is often anti-barca like we discussed a few days ago because so many reports come from the anti-barca papers in spain.

    so before we start pointing fingers at each other, we should ALL try to understand where we are all coming from. genis: i wish we all had the opportunity to go and experience the camp nou crowd in person, but we cant and the news will report on the fans who are the loudest (whistlers) and not on those fans who sit quietly discussing the game in a civilised and understanding manner.
    ramzi: i think you have the same problem that i do, that while be a dedicated fan of the club, it is difficult to get the “true” impression of barcelona from the media, and i think that that is what you were trying to say above. not sure though.

    but you were all talking about “understanding” each other, so lets try a little bit harder to realise the challenges that we all face in being barca fans and the thing that makes this blog and its “subscribers” great is our abillity to discuss without fighting and arguing and turning on each other. lets make an effort to keep it that way.

    and sorry for never using capitall letters. i truly am just too lazy to use them as my typing skills arent that great and it would break my train of thought every time i had to stop to rech for the shift key and i want to get everything down on before i forget. hope it doesnt bother anyone :)

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  • Kxevin |  October 3rd, 2008 at 8:37 am

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    No worries, Andrew. Well said.

    And yes, you HAVE to attend a match at the Camp Nou. And the story that I will be writing in December for my paper’s (Chicago Tribune) Travel section, about taking a footy vacation (planning accomodations, how to get tix, etc) will make it easy as pie for you.

    But know that whatever language you speak, Barca is what’s spoken at the Camp Nou. I was there with French and English, yet managed to strike a lovely rapport during a Champions League match with a Dutch couple, and some Catalan socis. Very cool.

    Keep in mind also that the Camp Nou holds around 95,000 people, so while a chunk might be jeering and waving hankies, the rest might not be, or might not know what to do. Really, the Camp Nou has a lot of tourists at many matches, along with die-hards. With a stadium that big, you can walk right up on all but the biggest match days and buy a ticket.

    Anyhow yes, the fact that we all get along even though many of us have never met (I have met the suddenly silent Mat, and will, come hell or high water, meet Genis in December), is the best part about this space. As it grows and new voices (Ramzi, Cojonudo) make themselves heard, the example that we all set will make it easy for the newcomers to know what to do.

    Not to sound like those NFL United Way commercials, but thanks to all of you, it works….The Offside. :D

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  • Kxevin |  October 3rd, 2008 at 8:39 am

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    Ursos, have you been to see either of the Milan sides in person? How is it?

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  • Genis |  October 3rd, 2008 at 9:30 am

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    Andrew, just to put things in [well, my] perspective: In one of my first posts here, almost two months ago, I said regarding Eto’o: “But the worst is that, in 34 years as a soci … I’ve never seen a reaction as bitter and persistent against one of our players as that against Eto’o (not so much against Deco) during the last game of the season.” So, IMHO, that was a *very* special day. (By the way, that day there were *only* 39,298 persons at the Camp Nou).

    FTWOEM

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  • Genis |  October 3rd, 2008 at 9:32 am

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    (39,298 persons being the lowest number for the whole season).

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  • Mat |  October 3rd, 2008 at 9:42 am

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    I am sorry for being so “silent suddenly” :) , but there are some things you have to surrender when you are a student, esp a grad student. I am in my final year of Phd. and am getting some really dispiriting news that the experimental setup I am working on (for the last one year) has had some big issues….and as is common in grad school…no one except the student cares…I have to deal with it and deal right now….
    Also there are some discussions here that I had no clue about..esp that Catalan book and culture (that was really informative guys, keep up the good work)…so these days I am just reading cause I think its your duty to finish a discussion thread if you do participate in it…
    so let me deal with this mess here and I assure you guys I will get started again pretty soon… hope you guys understand….and Kxevin/Isaiah…that “how you got to know the club” would a great idea to get folks closer together here (maybe in the international break coming up)…this blog has a pretty special place in my heart and I am sure the same is true for most of us here.

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  • Kxevin |  October 3rd, 2008 at 9:48 am

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    Eto’o richly deserved that reaction, Genis. Glad he’s being a good lad this season.

    And good to “hear” from you, Mat. I figured school was ripping it up for you. Now get back to work! :D

    And in case anyone came to this posting first, the Atletico preview is up. I’m curious to hear lineup predictions from everyone.

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  • Kxevin |  October 3rd, 2008 at 9:50 am

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    Oh, Andrew is also a new voice. Can’t leave him out. There have been a few others who have popped in an out, as well.

    Paleo-anthropologist? Holy crap! You brainy guys are making a lowly journalist all self-conscious. :D

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  • Cojonudo |  October 3rd, 2008 at 10:06 am

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    I don’t know how the conversation veered into the “perception” of Barcelona fans but as a Catalan I thought I’d put in my two cents into the discussion.

    For whatever reason(s)Barca fans have taken a beating in the media in recent times as being “spoiled”, “fair weather fans” and poor supporters in general. I find it funny that “most” of those who formulate this oponion have only watched Barcelona on the tele and never been to an actual match!

    If you didn’t know any better you’d swear Gijon fans were the most “loyal” fans in the world. Then again their level and history of “success” cannot be compared to that of Barcelona’s either. So Gijon’s fans are “tranquilo”, a modest humble lot who will cheer their club to the end because it’s not like they have lofty goals or expectations in mind.

    Even before a player dons the azulgrana he knows the pressure, spotlight and microscope that he and he club will be under. That is just part and parcel of a storied history, success, “attractive” football, etc. You can call them “cules”, “socis”, “fans” in general whatever, the fact remains that the “true” supporters of this club stick with the club through thick and thin AND have generally high expectations that the players will view playing for the club as a “honor” and thusly play to their maximum potential. Wins and losses count, but Catalan’s being a “fiery lot” when backed into a corner liked to see the “passion” for the game exuded from the players’ sweat!

    In recent times the fans were critized for boing Eto’o after the “El Clasico” in Madrid. Well truthfully speaking I would have jeered him as well! And I consider Eto’o my favorite player on the club! Real or not, the perception is that he bailed out on his teammates against Madrid because he wanted not part of the “Guard of Honor”. He would rather have his teammates suffer the indignity. Yes, Deco was absent as well but everyone thought Eto’o was the one with “alterior motives” due to his ever famous, and never soon forgotten “salute” to the Madridistas years ago. So it was to no one’s surprise that he was “suddenly” absent from the pitch.

    Bringing everything into context if there is one thing, as a Catalan I’ve grown to understand and appreciate is that “we” value one thing more than any other, on and off the pitch and that’s LOYALTY! As the slogan goes, “Mes que un club” also means that the team is greater than any one player, and thus NO ONE dare put himself before the club! And that is just what Eto’o did (or at least was perceived to have done). He bailed out on his “brothers” at Madrid. And to me that is the worst form of “disrespect” you can show to the club and towards its fans. So the fans were rightly upset. They felt Eto’o should have taken his “medicine” just like everyone else, “pride” be dammed. In this case Eto’o put his “pride” ahead of the club, and thus (in my opinion) was rightfully called to task for it.

    Apologies for the long narrative but I just wanted to make my point. Eto’o’s being an “exceptional” case, but in general I concur with the comments made from those who actually have set foot at Camp Nou – the fans support this club as much if not more than any other fans in the world and are not a bunch of space monkeys contrary to popular belief (or what ‘Marca’ might say).

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  • ursus arctos |  October 3rd, 2008 at 11:21 am

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    Kxevein, you work for the Tribune AND support the Cubs?
    That must be torture.

    We have season tickets to Inter (my son is an Interista). So we’ve been to the Meazza a lot. The crowd can be very fickle. As a matter of fact, there were quite a few whistles directed at Mourinho after they only drew with Werder Wednesday night.

    Much to my chagrin, I don’t get to the Camp Nou often enough to make a real comparison, though in general I believe that Italian crowds are significantly more demonstrative than Spanish ones, particularly when it comes to “establishment/bourgeois” fans.

    I know someone who (like us) also has a subscription to La Scala, and some of the stuff I’ve heard him yell at Inter in the Meazza would shock a sailor.

    BTW, this has been yet another terrific thread. All of the contributions have enhanced my understanding of just what it means to each (and all) of us to support FC Barcelona.

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  • Kxevin |  October 3rd, 2008 at 11:33 am

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    Well, I’ll just say that I work for the company that owns the Cubs, how’s that? I pretty much can’t stand baseball. Further, when baseball fans tell me that footy is boring, then crow about some “exciting” 1-0 baseball game, I’m never shy about pointing out the, shall we say, complexities of their worldview. :D

    It’s filling my dark little heart with joy that the Cubs are going down in flames. My sole rooting interest in Chicago baseball is for the Sox to win and the Cubs to lose. Not sure why that is, though. Weird.

    Good info about the Meazza. You sort of get that feeling from seeing the matches on Fox Soccer. It’s cool that Serie A and La Liga are the last major leagues to be free of the pay-per-view scourge, though if Fox outbids GolTV for La Liga next season, we can forget about seeing free Clasicos ever again.

    I agree with you about this thread. Just exceptional stuff. It’s folks like everyone here that makes this one of the best sporting blogs I have ever encountered.

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  • pep |  October 3rd, 2008 at 11:59 am

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    About the Camp Nou crowd, I would point out the following:

    1) The fans attending the game actually know something about football. Former-Dutch-international-turned-pundit Jan Mulder has said that even if you would put eleven flagpoles at Anfield, the supporters would still shout and sing their lungs out of their bodies. Barcelona fans understand the game and you have to deserve their applause.

    1 bis) Related to that, someone once told me that for Catalans going to the Camp Nou is like going to the theatre. Which makes some sense in my opinion.

    2) Barcelona is more than a club. A win means more, but a defeat too.

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  • john |  October 3rd, 2008 at 12:06 pm

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    Regarding baseball, Kevin, I’m the same way. I chalk it up to the majority of Cubs fans being annoying (just thought I’d throw another sweeping generalization out there, for the fun of it!). But if I were you, I’d make sure big Sam doesn’t catch you booing his new team.

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  • john |  October 3rd, 2008 at 12:08 pm

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    And pep, ‘eleven flagpoles’ is a lot more charitable than ‘excrement on a stick,’ if anyone remembers that charming reference to Anfield fans.

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  • Kxevin |  October 3rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm

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    Roger that, Pep. It’s very cool to see fathers explaining formations to their sons via hand gestures, insuring future generations of socis.

    And you know what’s funny John? Zell is actually more encouraging of bucking the party line. It’s a seriously fun place to work right now, where crazy folks like me can make all kinds of changes.

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  • john |  October 3rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm

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    That’s good to hear, Kevin. Did you get invited to his B-day bash last weekend?

    I’m glad to hear he’s fostered a positive working environment, though it’ll take me a while to get used to the paper’s new format.

    And Ramzi – sorry to spark a subject that saw you recieve a lot of flak. It certainly wasn’t my intention. Have a good weekend, everyone.

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  • IceMel |  October 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm

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    Ramzi,
    Not sure if anyone said this…but maybe that spelling was offensive ’cause it sounded like “we have to PAY OL’(old) Carles a lot of money…even though he can’t play like he used to” …I’ll take Payol any day over some announcers’ “Pweeee-ul”

    Kev,
    I’m not a Cubs fan but if they pan the camera over all the 85 year old ladies in the stands crying after they get eliminated like last itme, I will shed a tear.

    From now pleasently rainy NorCal
    Ice

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  • Oleg |  October 5th, 2008 at 1:23 pm

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    Barselona goes down this year. If it plays in 1/4 of the CL 2008/09- it will be a miracle. Messi is good, but there plenty of players in other teams who are at least of the same level with him.I am upset about their play against Shakhtar – UEFA rules suck.

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  • Juan |  October 5th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

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    Kevin? Wow!!! That is “spanish” name and a lot of knowledge in soccer (yeh, not in football). “We answered”, “we are tired”. It is here, boy – “we” suck.

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  • Kxevin |  October 7th, 2008 at 6:19 am

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    No b-day bash invite for me, John. I’m that high up the food chain, just a lowly section editor. :D

    Oleg, you might be right. But we won’t go down for lack of trying. And when I look at the competition in Champions League, I like our chances. Nobody has been truly dominant this season, and playing Henry in the center has opening up new options for us, not to mention the incendiary play of Iniesta on the left.

    And welcome, Juan. Some call it soccer, others call it football. It just depends on your worldview. Because you’re new here, I’ll explain my use of the collective pronoun “we.” I’m a soci. My vote, my time and my money go directly to support the club that I love. I think that gives me the right to use “we.”

    Come back anytime. All voices are welcome.

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