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		<title>By: Kxevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kxevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ball pressure, Flippy. We didn&#039;t have anywhere near the ball pressure last year that we have this year, and had no trouble maintaining possession, in the midfield or otherwise.

Now that the defense pushes up, that helps retain midfield possession. Also, Alves functions in effect as a third midfielder and pressure valve passing release, to reset the attack. So does Abidal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ball pressure, Flippy. We didn&#8217;t have anywhere near the ball pressure last year that we have this year, and had no trouble maintaining possession, in the midfield or otherwise.</p>
<p>Now that the defense pushes up, that helps retain midfield possession. Also, Alves functions in effect as a third midfielder and pressure valve passing release, to reset the attack. So does Abidal.</p>
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		<title>By: Flippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to think that it would weaken possession in the midfield and make us able to concede on counters. How would we hold possession? And how could we regain possession quickly? Yaya can&#039;t be everywhere in the midfield. Alves may be upfront. ETC...lot to consider...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to think that it would weaken possession in the midfield and make us able to concede on counters. How would we hold possession? And how could we regain possession quickly? Yaya can&#8217;t be everywhere in the midfield. Alves may be upfront. ETC&#8230;lot to consider&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kxevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kxevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what I&#039;m thinking, Flippy:

---------------Valdes----------------
Alves-----Caceres-----Puyol-----Abidal
-------------Yaya-------------------
--------------Xavi-------------------
Messi-----Eto&#039;o------Henry------Iniesta

It would need Yaya, because he has the range, pace and ball skills, not to mention sheer thuggishness. I like Caceres in the back line because of his no-nonsense clearances and pace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m thinking, Flippy:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;Valdes&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Alves&#8212;&#8211;Caceres&#8212;&#8211;Puyol&#8212;&#8211;Abidal<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-Yaya&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;Xavi&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Messi&#8212;&#8211;Eto&#8217;o&#8212;&#8212;Henry&#8212;&#8212;Iniesta</p>
<p>It would need Yaya, because he has the range, pace and ball skills, not to mention sheer thuggishness. I like Caceres in the back line because of his no-nonsense clearances and pace.</p>
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		<title>By: Flippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also 4-2-4 wouldn&#039;t be bad...interesting to think about..
Are you picturing it like:

valdes
Alves Puyol/Caceres/Pique/Marquez Abidal/Sylvinho/Caceres

Toure/Keita/Busquets
Xavi (a little ahead of the Defensive midfielder
Messi Eto&#039;o Henry Iniesta with bojan/pedro/hleb/+others as sub and sometimes messi as striker?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also 4-2-4 wouldn&#8217;t be bad&#8230;interesting to think about..<br />
Are you picturing it like:</p>
<p>valdes<br />
Alves Puyol/Caceres/Pique/Marquez Abidal/Sylvinho/Caceres</p>
<p>Toure/Keita/Busquets<br />
Xavi (a little ahead of the Defensive midfielder<br />
Messi Eto&#8217;o Henry Iniesta with bojan/pedro/hleb/+others as sub and sometimes messi as striker?</p>
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		<title>By: Flippy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eh richard...
You&#039;re own fans were applauding barca&#039;s play.
Veloso&#039;s freekick never should&#039;ve happened. It wasn&#039;t a hand ball, but i admit it was a nice freeckick. The second was just defensive errors and not Sporting &#039;class&#039;. Also goalkeepers can&#039;t &#039;almost&#039; save things. It either is a goal or a save. Tiago either could block it fully or it was too hard or whatever, but the penalty was deserved. The second goal was just congestion in the box and obviously players kick at the ball trying to get it into the net, but instead Sporting defender backed up and hit him and then floated into the net. On the third your defenders were talking to the ref and then oops. On the fourth our players pressurized yours. Finally you guys lost to us at the camp nou as well.

Also Ciaran Ajax has produced several players, but are never able to keep them, because of money.
Keep in mind several of your previous dutch players came from Ajax. (just in defense of ajax)
I.E
Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Seedorf, Van der Sar, Heitinga, Maduro, kluivert, just to name a few of the last decade</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh richard&#8230;<br />
You&#8217;re own fans were applauding barca&#8217;s play.<br />
Veloso&#8217;s freekick never should&#8217;ve happened. It wasn&#8217;t a hand ball, but i admit it was a nice freeckick. The second was just defensive errors and not Sporting &#8216;class&#8217;. Also goalkeepers can&#8217;t &#8216;almost&#8217; save things. It either is a goal or a save. Tiago either could block it fully or it was too hard or whatever, but the penalty was deserved. The second goal was just congestion in the box and obviously players kick at the ball trying to get it into the net, but instead Sporting defender backed up and hit him and then floated into the net. On the third your defenders were talking to the ref and then oops. On the fourth our players pressurized yours. Finally you guys lost to us at the camp nou as well.</p>
<p>Also Ciaran Ajax has produced several players, but are never able to keep them, because of money.<br />
Keep in mind several of your previous dutch players came from Ajax. (just in defense of ajax)<br />
I.E<br />
Sneijder, Van der Vaart, Seedorf, Van der Sar, Heitinga, Maduro, kluivert, just to name a few of the last decade</p>
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		<title>By: Hilal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you all have to be a little more patient with Hleb....no, he will never be an Iniesta or a Xavi and he will probably never live up to the high expectations we all have. However he is a great squad player to have and once he settles into the side and the way we play he will be very useful and valuable. You have to remember he has spent years playing in a completely different league. It is hard enough coming from another Spanish team and adapting to our style of play, let alone an English team. ALL of our new signings need at least one year before any fair criticisms can be made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you all have to be a little more patient with Hleb&#8230;.no, he will never be an Iniesta or a Xavi and he will probably never live up to the high expectations we all have. However he is a great squad player to have and once he settles into the side and the way we play he will be very useful and valuable. You have to remember he has spent years playing in a completely different league. It is hard enough coming from another Spanish team and adapting to our style of play, let alone an English team. ALL of our new signings need at least one year before any fair criticisms can be made.</p>
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		<title>By: Kxevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kxevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Jason, I meant the 4-2-4, indeed. Last season Rijkaard tried it some and it worked really well, but was always derailed by something....somebody picking up a red card, etc.

This season it would be even easier to play, because of how the defenders push up and where Alves plays, in effect making him the third midfielder.

--And Isaiah, we can agree to disagree on Hleb. I don&#039;t take much comfort in this, but all four of the point-scoring sources that Pep uses to compile (yes, we&#039;re one of them as you double-dippers know) had Hleb at either a 6 or 7. But lord, I hate agreeing with Goal.com. I must have done something wrong. Okay, he WAS crap.  :D

--Alves is responding to the trash-talking by Casillas, who predicted a 1-0 win for them in El Clasico.

&quot;Anyone can talk,&quot; says our attack-minded Brazilian. &quot;That&#039;s why we have freedom of expression. But then one has to deliver on the pitch with their actions.&quot;

In other words, &quot;Whatever, ho. Talk all the smack you want, but we&#039;re getting in that ass.&quot;

--Isaiah has some competition in the statistics department (but no decimal places, it must be noted):

http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2008/11/stigsbys-statistics-effect-of-rival.html

--In an interview with Sport (who has been very busy of late), the Icelandic Monument has credited Guardiola with &quot;changing his life,&quot; saying that the new coach pulled him aside and said &quot;Look, Guddy, I believe in you, but you have to convince me and give everything during pre-season.&quot;

I suspect the talk was more like &quot;There are a lot of talented players here, so whatcha got, candyass? You want West Ham or Camp Nou?&quot;

--Rumor is that Villarreal keeper Diego Lopez is on our wish list. Dunno why, but there it is. Lopez is reported as saying &quot;Whatever, dude. I like it here at Villarreal.&quot; Translation: &quot;It&#039;s gonna cost a TON if you want me.&quot;

--Messi says that the club isn&#039;t dependent on him, that it can win with any 12 players that Guardiola puts out there. Which might be true, but one of them had better be able to make runs to upset the defense. He&#039;s right, as long as one of those 12 is SPF 45.

--Puyol and Yaya are back in the squad for Sevilla. Alves says that if he scores, he won&#039;t celebrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Jason, I meant the 4-2-4, indeed. Last season Rijkaard tried it some and it worked really well, but was always derailed by something&#8230;.somebody picking up a red card, etc.</p>
<p>This season it would be even easier to play, because of how the defenders push up and where Alves plays, in effect making him the third midfielder.</p>
<p>&#8211;And Isaiah, we can agree to disagree on Hleb. I don&#8217;t take much comfort in this, but all four of the point-scoring sources that Pep uses to compile (yes, we&#8217;re one of them as you double-dippers know) had Hleb at either a 6 or 7. But lord, I hate agreeing with Goal.com. I must have done something wrong. Okay, he WAS crap.  <img src='http://barcelona.theoffside.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8211;Alves is responding to the trash-talking by Casillas, who predicted a 1-0 win for them in El Clasico.</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyone can talk,&#8221; says our attack-minded Brazilian. &#8220;That&#8217;s why we have freedom of expression. But then one has to deliver on the pitch with their actions.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, &#8220;Whatever, ho. Talk all the smack you want, but we&#8217;re getting in that ass.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Isaiah has some competition in the statistics department (but no decimal places, it must be noted):</p>
<p><a href="http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2008/11/stigsbys-statistics-effect-of-rival.html" rel="nofollow">http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2008/11/stigsbys-statistics-effect-of-rival.html</a></p>
<p>&#8211;In an interview with Sport (who has been very busy of late), the Icelandic Monument has credited Guardiola with &#8220;changing his life,&#8221; saying that the new coach pulled him aside and said &#8220;Look, Guddy, I believe in you, but you have to convince me and give everything during pre-season.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect the talk was more like &#8220;There are a lot of talented players here, so whatcha got, candyass? You want West Ham or Camp Nou?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Rumor is that Villarreal keeper Diego Lopez is on our wish list. Dunno why, but there it is. Lopez is reported as saying &#8220;Whatever, dude. I like it here at Villarreal.&#8221; Translation: &#8220;It&#8217;s gonna cost a TON if you want me.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;Messi says that the club isn&#8217;t dependent on him, that it can win with any 12 players that Guardiola puts out there. Which might be true, but one of them had better be able to make runs to upset the defense. He&#8217;s right, as long as one of those 12 is SPF 45.</p>
<p>&#8211;Puyol and Yaya are back in the squad for Sevilla. Alves says that if he scores, he won&#8217;t celebrate.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 15:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;walks away all cool styles&quot;...that&#039;s freaking brilliant.

I third the welcome to Richard. I think he&#039;s got a point about &quot;garbage&quot; goals, but I personally agree with the other comments about killer instinct. While the ref probably shouldn&#039;t have let the kick be taken so quickly, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s against the rules to do so (though I don&#039;t know the exact wording). If you&#039;re the defense, you have to pay attention.

I&#039;ll bring up an example: remember when Barcelona was playing against Real Betis a couple of years ago and a foul was committed and the freekick was taken before we had a chance to set up a wall...was that unfair? No. I blamed Barcelona&#039;s lackadaisical defending for that one and I must do the same for Sporting&#039;s.

If you put Sporting into La Liga, I think they would be Getafe-esque in their final rankings. There&#039;s no doubt that they&#039;re a quality side, but Getafe doesn&#039;t lay down for anyone, as we saw. Sure, Sporting have a good youth setup, but their end product (the team) doesn&#039;t have the quality it should (because the big boys buy off their players) -- acting as if because of its youth setup it has a better team than it does smacks of naivety.

And I&#039;ll go on record as saying that the best youth setup in the world is FC Barcelona&#039;s. And we have the money to retain the services of most of our players. Were it not for a couple of pesky laws concerning child labor (that England doesn&#039;t have), we would have even more talent on our roster (Cesc, for one). Perhaps the same is true for Sporting.

I like the concept of Sporting being a good team, but they&#039;re simply not at the level of competing week-in-week-out with teams of our quality. We deserved to win, especially given that their first goal was pure &quot;garbage&quot; and their second one was pure &quot;luck&quot;. Only once did they truly threaten on their own and Valdes&#039; face came to the rescue there.

The last thing I have to say is that Hleb was crap. I do think he needs more time to settle in, but that doesn&#039;t mean he wasn&#039;t crap. I don&#039;t have a problem with him starting when Iniesta isn&#039;t available, but I do have a problem not saying he was crap. I disagree completely with Kevin that he was instrumental in anything except giving the ball away repeatedly. His passing is slow and not incisive enough. He had one moment of brilliance that came after I was babbling out loud about how crappy he is for us, but it came to naught because his final ball was terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;walks away all cool styles&#8221;&#8230;that&#8217;s freaking brilliant.</p>
<p>I third the welcome to Richard. I think he&#8217;s got a point about &#8220;garbage&#8221; goals, but I personally agree with the other comments about killer instinct. While the ref probably shouldn&#8217;t have let the kick be taken so quickly, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s against the rules to do so (though I don&#8217;t know the exact wording). If you&#8217;re the defense, you have to pay attention.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bring up an example: remember when Barcelona was playing against Real Betis a couple of years ago and a foul was committed and the freekick was taken before we had a chance to set up a wall&#8230;was that unfair? No. I blamed Barcelona&#8217;s lackadaisical defending for that one and I must do the same for Sporting&#8217;s.</p>
<p>If you put Sporting into La Liga, I think they would be Getafe-esque in their final rankings. There&#8217;s no doubt that they&#8217;re a quality side, but Getafe doesn&#8217;t lay down for anyone, as we saw. Sure, Sporting have a good youth setup, but their end product (the team) doesn&#8217;t have the quality it should (because the big boys buy off their players) &#8212; acting as if because of its youth setup it has a better team than it does smacks of naivety.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ll go on record as saying that the best youth setup in the world is FC Barcelona&#8217;s. And we have the money to retain the services of most of our players. Were it not for a couple of pesky laws concerning child labor (that England doesn&#8217;t have), we would have even more talent on our roster (Cesc, for one). Perhaps the same is true for Sporting.</p>
<p>I like the concept of Sporting being a good team, but they&#8217;re simply not at the level of competing week-in-week-out with teams of our quality. We deserved to win, especially given that their first goal was pure &#8220;garbage&#8221; and their second one was pure &#8220;luck&#8221;. Only once did they truly threaten on their own and Valdes&#8217; face came to the rescue there.</p>
<p>The last thing I have to say is that Hleb was crap. I do think he needs more time to settle in, but that doesn&#8217;t mean he wasn&#8217;t crap. I don&#8217;t have a problem with him starting when Iniesta isn&#8217;t available, but I do have a problem not saying he was crap. I disagree completely with Kevin that he was instrumental in anything except giving the ball away repeatedly. His passing is slow and not incisive enough. He had one moment of brilliance that came after I was babbling out loud about how crappy he is for us, but it came to naught because his final ball was terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: daring fool</title>
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		<dc:creator>daring fool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well xavi started out as a pivote (creative midfielder in front of the back four) so him and toure can be a genius partnership in the 4-2-4. Toure just steps in, snuffs a tackle like its nothing and then walks away all cool styles while xavi collects the ball and releases the greyhounds on the wings or in centre</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well xavi started out as a pivote (creative midfielder in front of the back four) so him and toure can be a genius partnership in the 4-2-4. Toure just steps in, snuffs a tackle like its nothing and then walks away all cool styles while xavi collects the ball and releases the greyhounds on the wings or in centre</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 06:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I was referring to a while back when this blog was filled with Kxevin&#039;s crazy calls for the 4-2-4. It&#039;s risky as hell, and that&#039;s why everyone called him crazy (I really wanted to see it, actually).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I was referring to a while back when this blog was filled with Kxevin&#8217;s crazy calls for the 4-2-4. It&#8217;s risky as hell, and that&#8217;s why everyone called him crazy (I really wanted to see it, actually).</p>
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