Villarreal – Barcelona: Copa del Rey preview, in brief

By: Isaiah | January 24th, 2008

It’s the Copa del Rey quarterfinals, first leg at El Madrigal, a place that hasn’t been kind to us this season (see 3-1 loss), but we’ve got our little “talisman” back and Lionel Messi might just prove the difference. He was there for that loss, of course, but that was a tragicomic moment in the season so far. First off, Oleguer was starting because our backline was ravaged by injuries, then two penalties were called in the first half after a third minute goal, and Deco went off injured. We were already without Eto’o, Ronaldinho, Toure, and Emilson, so the first two substitutions made (Gio for Oleguer, Guddie for Deco) were merely deadweight entrants, and then the third sub was Sylvinho-Bojan and the team had no chance. Ezquerro was on the bench and at least could have been an attacking option, but it wasn’t to be.

My previous suggestion that losing to Villarreal was not embarrassing, despite the embarrassing fact that I spelled Villarreal without the second R every time throughout the post, was completely truthful. Another loss wouldn’t be that horrible either, though would probably start to solidify Rijkaard’s departure at the end of the year (assuming that hasn’t already been decided).

Of course this time we have another injury, this time to Abidal, who injured his left foot, but we do recover Edmilson. The full squad is: Valdés, Pinto, Milito, Márquez, Puyol, Xavi, Gudjohnsen, Iniesta, Zambrotta, Henry, Edmilson, Giovani, Messi, Deco, Thuram, Oleguer, Bojan, Sylvinho.

I went ahead and bolded Messi (who should start), just in case you didn’t realize how important he is to any game we play at this moment. Without Eto’o or Ronaldinho, the team needs a symbol up front (you could say Henry, but he’s a first year man and is still learning the system, really; Bojan is too young), a “gamebreaker” who can turn things around in 10 seconds. And that player, right now, is Lionel Messi. Sure, dude is young, but my lord he is talented. And he seems to be able to handle the pressure of being the go-to guy. Let’s just see if everyone else can handle what is required to get him open and running 1-on-1 along the wing.

We’re a better team than we were against Villarreal the first time, but I still don’t expect a win. 1-1, or 2-2 is a good result, really, but anything else will cause us to face a massively uphill battle come next week and the return leg at the Camp Nou.
I hope Marquez starts as the DM, rather than Edmilson, but I’m not sure exactly how Rijkaard will want to approach the absence of Abidal. Will Sylvinho be able to handle the rigors of the left side or will Abidal’s absence be felt? Will Pinto start? These are just a couple of the questions I can’t really find solid answers to at the moment. My hunch is no on both accounts, unfortunately. Expect lots of crosses, lots of Giuseppe Rossi up front, and lots of Marco Senna being a dick (if a talented one) in midfield. On the offensive end, we should see a real resurgence on our part, a real ability to get open looks. Iniesta probably scores off a good Messi cross on the ground through the box (duh, what could be easier?) and Henry might score. As long as we don’t draw 1-1, we should be good.

Is Villarreal looking forward to visiting the Bernabeu this weekend? Or are they going to concentrate on us fully? It’s hard to tell, but I think most teams are gunning for the Copa this year (except Madrid! Woo!), so I expect them to try to make a statement here. They’re only 5 points back of us in the league, so they should be able to put up a good fight…but let’s hope they capitulate like little babies. I’d love to “golear” them 3 or 4 to 0, but that’s just not going to happen; not this year, anyway.

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  • llobster |  January 24th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

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    on the rijkaard note, remember how we mentioned the enigmatic moment on goltv in which they said he had decided to leave at season’s end? well in phil ball’s article last week he mentioned too how rijkaard was leaving after the season.

    is there some mysterious underground communications network that i’m oblivious to? or was i asleep that week that it would’ve made headlines?

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  • Isaiah |  January 24th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

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    llobster: I’m totally at a loss as to where these comments about him leaving are from. There must be a network I’m not plugged in to.

    Thuram was our best player today, Kevin, though I understand your prior doubts. He was shutdown-lightsout-stuffit all night. Xavi continues to look like a shadow (if that) of his former self. His passes straight to the opponents are really getting on my nerves. Really they’re already on my nerves.

    The game could have gone either way and it’s Thuram and Valdes we have to thank for getting us through with a clean sheet, but we also could have and should have scored. Henry getting injured was scary as hell, but he looked fine after that. Good idea to take him off and good call taking off Xavi. The game really opened up then and Barca should have run away with the whole damn tie in the second half. Should have been 2 or 3 – 0. Not that Villarreal weren’t good in the first half, but disappearing acts by Nihat and Rossi were never going to help.

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  • JC |  January 25th, 2008 at 4:19 am

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    Scarry that we have scored just 1 goal in the last 3 matches..

    Can someone help me with watching these games on Goltv and other online sites? I am new to this….i normally get to watch the channels on tv…but there are times, when the tv station, don’t show and that’s when I am lost…

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  • Isaiah |  January 25th, 2008 at 5:03 am

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    JC, sure we can help. If you go to http://tvunetworks.com and download TVUPlayer. From there, just select the appropriate channel — sometimes the channel is named “goltv”, sometimes it’s named “65217 football”. You can also access Fox Soccer Channel from here and several other channels that show various leagues. You’ll just have to play around with it to find the channels you like.

    In case you’re interested in watching games that aren’t on TVUPlayer, you can go to live-footy.org (also known as http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/ ), a site that provides several links to streams using various programs (downloads are required).

    If there are any other sites people use, let’s hear about them. Of course, if worse comes to worse, you can always stream the match commentary by Radio Barca, via the official site (I believe the radio broadcast is in several languages, but it might be just English).

    Hope this helps.

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  • llobster |  January 25th, 2008 at 7:44 am

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    i’m glad i’m not the only one that thinks xavi has been stinking up the place lately…he’ll always be a barca icon, but his decisions in the past games have been pretty frustrating. seems like anytime a push dies, he was the last to touch the ball (assuming ronnie is not in the game)

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  • Kevin |  January 25th, 2008 at 8:04 am

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    I agree, Isaiah. Thuram must be a blog reader. He sure made me eat my words. Exceptional play from the Frenchman who, many tell me, I’m a dead ringer for. Too funny.

    I was stunned to see that Xavi was in the lineup. My DVR picked up the match right after the starting lineups were announced, and it wasn’t until I saw him run into the picture that I said “Hey, looka that. Xavi’s invisible.” He’s been worthless for a while, now. Why he’s still in the starting eleven escapes me. But many Rijkaard decisions escape me.

    The energy was there, the effort was there, not quite sure why the goals weren’t. Valdes was definitely a rock, and the ball movement was much better. There was a lot less screwing around, which was encouraging. They should do the deal at Camp Nou, and move on.

    I was surprised that Villarreal was so defensive for such long stretches. I think they didn’t want to lose at home, but by not losing, they guranteed they wouldn’t win, either.

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  • Pepino |  January 25th, 2008 at 11:44 am

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    Hey,
    there’s another site with links to different streams and also the softwares required.
    Just go to fsicrew.info and you’ll see the rest.

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  • john |  January 25th, 2008 at 11:45 am

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    I still think Villarreal came out of this one the better. A team not known for their defense holding Barcelona scoreless is always an accomplishment. And let’s not forget (lord knows Sevilla hasn’t) that now Barcelona MUST win at Camp Nou next week whereas a 1-1 tie will go to the visitors. In that sense, Barcelona dropped the ball by not scoring an away goal – or shot it wide of the post, rather.

    By the way: rojadirecta dot com is the streaming site I use, and of the sites I’ve found, it tends to have the most options. (For those who don’t speak Spanish, click ‘English Help’ in the top right corner and it will walk you through – if you can speak english, that is. And if you’re reading this, you probably can.)

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  • JC |  January 25th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

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    Thanks a lot Isaiah, pepino & john.

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  • Isaiah |  January 25th, 2008 at 7:59 pm

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    John, I have to agree with you on the point about who the advantage goes to: Villarreal. And they’re certainly capable of defeating anyone anywhere at any time. That said, the Camp Nou has not been kind to many people and I think Barca will come out guns blazing, with grabbing goals a very high priority on their to-do list. After all, getting knocked out at home is not exactly what the crowds will be happy about…

    But let’s wait and see who is healthy before the game gets called. If Messi had been out there for 90 minutes on Thursday, I think it’s a different outcome and I think that’ll be the case next week. I doubt Messi starts against Athletic (Gio is young, he can recover quickly and rushing Messi is just not intelligent), but my ability to read Rijkaard’s lineups is woeful. Just look at what I thought would happen and what actually did. I thought we’d play the team we played on Thursday against Athletic…but apparently I’m an idiot.

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  • Isaiah |  January 26th, 2008 at 7:24 am

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    Here is the squad list for the Athletic game: Valdés, Pinto, Milito, Abidal, Puyol, Xavi, Gudjohnsen, Iniesta, Zambrotta, Henry, Edmilson, Giovani, Messi, Deco, Thuram, Sylvinho, Oleguer, Bojan.

    Marquez is out, but Abidal is back in. Expect Edmilson to start and go the distance. I have to assume Puyol starts instead of Thuram. Here’s my starting 11:

    Valdes, Zambrotta, Puyol, Milito, Abidal, Edmilson, Xavi, Iniesta, Deco, Messi, Henry

    I could easily see Guddie starting for Deco and Gio for Messi if Rijkaard finds that Leo isn’t quite fit enough for a full 90. Other than that, it just feels like risking points…

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  • Isaiah |  January 26th, 2008 at 9:35 am

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    And, in case you hadn’t realized, the game at Athletic has been postponed until 1pm on Sunday — and it will be shown on GolTV as well as in HD on WorldSportHD. I happen to get this channel…but happen not to be at home this weekend, so I’ll have to stream it over TVU just like everyone else…

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  • Jenny |  January 26th, 2008 at 11:35 pm

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    Hi Boys!
    I’m new to the blogging world, but love the blaugranas! I read the posts and agree that Xavi has been a major liability as of late. Since the Euro Qualifier against Sweden, where he was unbelievable, he has really lost his touch. Although I believe he is a major fixture for the team, he need to be replaced with Guddi for the time being. As for Messi, if Rijkaard is to start anyone before him, it should be Bojan, not Gio. Bojan possesses a similar kind of magic, that I have not seen in Gio. However, I hope that Messi can start, he creates a beautiful, yet effective game that the others are lacking at this time. Zambrotta has been creating opportunities as of late, so I hope he is in there. I think they can pull off a win in Camp Nuo, but I am longing for the finish of the African cup.
    Valdes, Zambrotta, Puyol, Milito, Marquez, Yaya, Deco, Iniesta, Messi, E’to, Henry. That’s who I’d like to see this line up at least once this season, with Messi playing behind and creating for the two forwards.

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  • Jake |  January 27th, 2008 at 3:55 am

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    Welcome to the blog Jenny. Although it’s a bit harsh to critisize Gio too much (he’s only 18) I think that Bojan should be selected ahead of him. Messi is a necessity to the squad, as he is in a league of his own right now. Personally though, I much prefer him on the wing than behind the two forwards. He is an expert at cutting in from the wing, something which he cannot do will playing in a central attacking role.

    And yes, I do love that line-up. Lets hope that we can have at least one game without injuries, and Rijkaard has some common sense, so that we can start our best players.

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  • Kevin |  January 27th, 2008 at 6:19 am

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    I think you’ll get your wish, Jenny, unless Rijkaard is a lot dumber than he gets credit for. I note the absence of Ronaldinho, a wise call. I’ve said before that he’s done in Barcelona, and I still believe that. If he comes back now, it’s simply to put himself in the shop window for suitors.

    Dos Santos has potential, but needs to remember that he is part of a team. That’s a coach’s job. Look at what Schuster has done with Robinho who, granted, is older than Dos Santos, but the difference between him now and under Capello is remakable.

    Dos Santos is a very different player now than the one I watched in the Gamper match. Then, I thought that I was looking at the next Ronaldinho. Unfortunately now, all too much I see in him the bad side of “the next Ronaldinho,” with his dribbling into defenders and passing at the wrong times, if at all.

    Krkic is going to be killer, once he gets more consistent playing time and is integrated into the side. Note how Henry gets amped up whenever he comes on. As with Arsenal, Henry’s big value, in addition to his skills, is his talent with young players.

    I think that eventually, we are going to be the best side in the world this season. Between injuries, absences, ACN duty and the like, things just haven’t had a change to solidify. But I think that the second half of the season holds great promise.

    And welcome aboard. It’s a great place Isaiah has set up here.

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  • Kevin |  January 27th, 2008 at 10:52 am

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    Well. Don’t know how we’re a goal up at the half. Xavi and Henry are having a shit contest. Xavi is the runaway leader. Lots of energy from Messi and Krkic (lovely goal, threading the needle). Iniesta is also on. Zambrotta is not, but worst of all are the GolTV announcers. I imagine they’re saving Schoen/Hudson for the Villarreal/Evil Empire match, but these guys are terrible. NOTHING is a foul, not jersey pulling or hacking, not trips or knees, nothing. Absurd. And they’re clearly coaches-in-waiting, with all the strategic advice for the coaches and players. Crap, I say.

    Xavi, by the by, has done more to kill more attacks than any Bilbao player. Even late in the half he gets the pass, with two players making the run, and dribbles, then does a back pass. Why the hell is he still in the side? I never thought I would say this, but I’d take Gudjohnsen at this point. :D

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  • Mac |  January 27th, 2008 at 11:38 am

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    Athletic Bilbao just equalized… Can’t say we don’t deserve it either.

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  • Kevin |  January 27th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

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    Agreed, Mac. We got what we deserved. The same pattern of last year is repeating itself: strong first half, crap second, almost as if they lose interest in the match. Holes in the defense, players out of position. This one hurts. Bad.

    I’m laying the blame at the feet of Rijkaard. You have to get your side ready to go. Bilbao fought like crazy for that draw, which for them was a victory. The sub for Xavi took WAY too long. It was obvious that he was crap from the first minute. And notice how the attack faltered when Krkic came off? I would have subbed for Henry. Don’t know what he was thinking with that one.

    I thought Puyol was going to give it up more, and dive at the cross to give the passer a smaller hole to shoot into. He played a great match, as did Thuram. It was unfair that they were the two players at the scene of the crime. It almost looked like Thuram helped it in, too. Bummer.

    Three substitutions wouldn’t have been enough to get the players off who were stinking up the joint. Deco just wasn’t there. For a man saying “If we don’t win something, I’m off,” you’d think his play would do more of the talking. Too much dwelling on the ball for everyone, not enough effort or intent with the ball.

    I’m pretty much giving up on the league. I just can’t see Villarreal doing the deed, which means a nine-point lead. Might as well be 900, the way the lads are playing. Time to focus on the Copa and Champions League, I say.

    How ’bout everyone else?

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  • Ciaran |  January 27th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

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    Starting Xavi again??? Im sorry but if someone isnt playing well drop (rest) him and let someone in better form play (Eidur). Let Eidur/Iniesta/Deco start and if it isnt working change it.
    I liked the theory of Henry Messi and Bojan but I dont think Messi should have been in the centre for the whole match.
    How can we not be scoring any goals? My God the midfield are not weighing in with anything at all. Iniesta is brilliant going forward so Rijkaard plays him as defensive midfielder. There’s no fight in the team… again

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  • Mac |  January 27th, 2008 at 2:16 pm

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    Copa del Rey and Champions League it is, for now..

    I don’t know, it’s definitely possible to come back, but not the way the team is playing. In the meanwhile, we’re just competing for the automatic Champions League spot with Villarreal.

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  • jake |  January 28th, 2008 at 1:43 am

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    Yeah, a comeback is possible, but highly improbable. We can win the cups though, so I’m with Kevin and Mac.

    As Kevin said, Rijkaard is to blame. Obviously the players are the ones who play the match, but Rijkaards tactics and subs are just rubbish. Messi, Bojan and Puyol was great. How can Thuram, a 36 year old, still perform as one of the best players in one of the best teams in the world? He is a machine. Is he still international or is he retired?

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  • Kevin |  January 28th, 2008 at 9:17 am

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    Retired from international play, Jake, though he does waffle if Domenech begs hard enough.

    The goal yesterday was an own goal off Thuram, by the by. Llorente might have gotten a toe to it, but from the replay it looked like it was mostly Thuram. Still, can’t fault him for that. He was a man on the pitch, and the way that attack moved through the midfield, the horse was out of the barn long before Llorente got into the box. And we should have been up by two or three goals by that point.

    And it’s causing me great pain to say this, because I don’t believe it to be true in fact, but the way the Evil Empire dispatched Villarreal, a team we struggled with, hurt my heart. Those SOBs are playing the way I expected us to be playing this year: open and flowing, lots of one-touch stuff and slick passing. Ouch.

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  • Isaiah |  January 28th, 2008 at 9:35 am

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    Dammit, Kevin. Can we just not talk about that? I have enough on my plate trying to muster up love for the Giants…I don’t need cules saying anything good about Madrid…even if it’s right. Schuster should be banned from being a member until he loses the league title. Then we’ll welcome him back.

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  • Kevin |  January 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am

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    Hey, I said it was killing me, Isaiah. I was watching a Barca highlights DVD from ‘05 that I made up, including that pass that Ronaldinho made with his butt. Ah, those were the days. The give-and-gos, Ronaldinho actually passing BEFORE the defenders closed down on him….(sigh).

    We’ll be back. No worries.

    And the Giants are going to surprise. They might not win, but they will surprise. I was torturing myself by watching the Bears/Colts game from last year, and realizing how winnable that game was for us.

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  • Jenny |  January 28th, 2008 at 10:36 pm

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    The problem, as I saw it on Sunday, was a definite lack of passion and cohesiveness. The electricity was missing and unfortunately their midfield attack has become somewhat predictable. The coach is the one responsible for igniting their spirits, the cohesive glue that holds them together. Rijkaard has done neither in the last couple of months.

    Now, I have a question for you guys. We know Barca has the potential to be the best team in the world on any given day of the year, they are creative and talented beyond belief, they have a superstar roster, they have the backing of millions of fans the world over and yet they lack effectiveness, why? I have my theories, but I want to hear from you.

    I still think the blaugranas can put it together, there’s still time. The Copa del Rey and Champions League is still calling their name. And like my mom always said, “nobody’s perfect”, not even Real, ESPECIALLY REAL! They will stumble, they did in the Copa, and they will again.

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