

Barca 3-Betis 2, a.k.a. “Not as close as it seemed.”
By: Kevin | September 24th, 2008
Okay. This was a redemption match of sorts for two players who were on the outs (only one with me, it must be said): Eric Abidal and Eidur Gudjohnsen. But more on them later.
First off, as we all know, last year we lose or tie this match because we not only had bad luck and tired players, but we had complacency. You saw some of it in the stretch that allowed Betis to get right back into the match. As they got more and more possession, the defense got more and more stretched, until one of those long, high balls (as predicted in the preview) got over Caceres, and a lovely finish made things a lot closer than they should have been.
This year, Guardiola got up, the lads listened and started working again. It was looking like a tie for some time, just because of the bounces of the ball, and some resolute defending by Betis. And then the unthinkable happened: The Icelandic Monument got the go-ahead goal off of the most improbable of touches, one that was swiped at by Krkic. Gudjohnsen kept his focus, got a directed touch on the ball and it glanced in off the post.
Which brings me to the second element that seems to be hanging around this season so far: luck. Last year, that ball hits the post, rebounds away and we tie, 2-2. This year, it hits the post on the right side and goes in. Gudjohnsen gets to act like he knew it was coming and thump his chest, and Isaiah gets to hurl invective from his road trip. Lucky for everyone.
But even on the second Eto’o goal, the ball was pinging around off legs and fell to a waiting Barca foot. A couple of passes later, Eto’o does the deal.
This was, despite its nail-biting aspects, a very good match to watch. My stomach is in knots even as I type this, probably because I still don’t have last season fully out of my mind. I was expecting, right until the final whistle, for something horrible to happen.
Interesting starting XI: Valdes, Alves, Marquez, Caceres, Abidal, Yaya, Keita, Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Eto’o.
Yes, the wonder of wonders: El Capitan was not in the starting side. But it makes sense. We were supposed to win this one, and why not give Caceres a run out to see how he does? The more critical match is in a few days, against the hated Espanyol. I expect we will see Henry and Puyol then, but until then the Catalan media will have a field day, no doubt.
Again, the work rate this season is exemplary. We want the ball, all the time, and will apply pressure until we get it. It allows the defense to play up, because the offense and mids are trying to gangsta the ball. It works, but it requires energy. The players seem to have it in abundance, so far. As I’ve said before, rotation will be critical to be able to keep that program going.
Now, about those goals. The first was just crazy. Lackadaisical play results in a corner which we almost clear, but for Yaya’s high boot. Keita kind of turns away instead of manning the hell up (not that I would have stood my ground in front of that rocket, either) and Valdes is, rightfully, livid. If everybody stays put, the ball gives Keita an instant, but temporary vasectomy, and it’s still 2-0 good guys.
The second goal was just a very pretty play that came about as a consequence of that high line. An absolutely perfect pass came down on the wrong side of Caceres, who I’m sure was thinking that he wouldn’t want to test his luck a second time by getting physical inside the box. An exquisite finish beats Valdes, and that’s all she wrote, right?
That would have been true last year. This year, suddenly, they started playing again. Once the energy came back, that third goal was inevitable. I’m sure that none of us expected it, particularly when Krkic messed up that glorious chance (um…bend the ball, young’un. Have Henry show you how tomorrow). But then, and I’ll say it again just because it’s kind of cool to say, Gudjohnsen saved the day. Who among us ever thought we’d be saying (or typing) those words. Let’s let them sit by themselves for a bit:
Gudjohnsen saved the day.
There are dark sides to this victory, however. The defense gives up way too many set pieces. Give an Atletico or Espanyol that many, and we’re going down like a musclebound swimmer wearing ankle weights. That has to be worked on. There is a crazy tendency to play around with the ball instead of just whacking it up the pitch and letting things resettle. Milito was very good at that. “When in doubt, whack it out.” That’s a sound policy sometimes.
Also, we still take the foot off the gas. The desultory opening by most of the lads in the second half allowed Betis back into the match. If we play the way we did in the first half, it’s 3 or 4-0. I’m sure that Guardiola will be talking about that aspect at practice tomorrow.
But enough of that. Now for player ratings:
Valdes: 6. He made some great plays, including that charge out of the box to intercept the Betis pass, and a couple of nice stops. But he got caught out a little on that second goal. Perhaps there was nothing he could have done, but give yourself more of a shot by staying home. The best keepers expect players to make shots such as the one that beat him. Caceres had the angles cut off, and pretty much the only available shot was the one that he took, a very difficult one. That first goal, he set the wall up right and everything, but Keita was thinking of his boys.
Alves: 6. Better, but still not the right back we bought. But man, that pass for the third goal….wow. And he took his first free kick for us, that had the keeper beat, except for that damnable post. He was much better on defense today as well, and was a lion in battling for possession. When he learns how to play with the others, it should make us unstoppable. Oh. Mr. Alves. How in the slow-roasted, brimstone-laced hell did you miss that shot at the end of the first half? Just asking.
Marquez: 5. Solid, though he had a few giveaways, and got absolutely smoked on a pass over the top. Note that the same play in the second half finds Caceres right there, leaving the defender a crazy tough shot to make. It’s only bad shooting that kept that ball out of the net, because his getting beaten like a gong on Chinese New Year left Valdes dead to rights. Whew! His lack of pace is a liability, and his balls out of the back aren’t the same quality as they were, which makes one wonder why the hell he’s in the side, except for some veteran stability back there.
Caceres: 7. Even though his man scored the goal, you have to love the play from this guy. Not a wrong move the whole match. Even the goal was the result of perfection. If it takes perfection to beat him, we’re in good shape when he’s in there. He’s very good at figuring angles and getting there. He also runs balls down and covers ground like a gazelle. He’s going to be a very good one. And the nerve of the kid! That play in the box was about as perfect a tackle as you’re going to see.
Abidal: 9. That’s right, 9. Abidal haters will say this is unjustified. He had one bad play the whole match, when Betis lofted a high ball over the top and he had to chase back. But off of a set play, he had help in the house, so he was saved. He owned his man the second half, and owned the wing the whole match. Betis didn’t even try attacking up that wing any longer, Abidal was so strong. He made runs into the box, and had a really nice give-and-go with Messi that went unrewarded. This is the best match that I have seen him play to date. That’s two in a row. Pretty soon, people are going to stop calling for his head, though I did see a comment in the preview that tried to lay blame for the second goal on him. Not hardly.
Yaya: 4. Shake off the rust, dude. In the first half, he was all stud, winning ball after ball after ball. You’d hear the announcer say “And Yaya wins another ball,” as if it were commonplace. And it was. But his panicked high boot created the chance, and his lack of match fitness showed. Once he got a step slow from being tired, Betis were creating attacks from his lunging for a ball and getting caught out of position. Like the Lord, Yaya giveth, and Yaya taketh away. Oh, and the rumble is back. That free kick he earned with that shambling, rumbling run of his early in the match was a riot.
Keita: 6. Solid. Very solid. He was so close on some of those runs, as the presence of Yaya allowed him to free his offensive player inside. He’ll learn how to close the deal, and we will gain yet another attacking option. His aggression and movement are a boon in the midfield. Again, we will be the immense benefits from this player down the road. I hope fans are patient with him.
Xavi: 7. A very solid match. From another player, Xavi’s performance is a higher grade, but his general excellence is responsible for his own grading curve. He hardly put a foot or ball wrong all night, but wasn’t as decisive as we need him to be. He was a bit late on that run in the first half, just missing the pass for the sure goal. But these are quibbles. He was very, very good, and so intelligent with the ball.
Iniesta: 6. He wasn’t allowed to be the difference maker this match, but he had some very good moments. I want him, however, to stay on his feet. He does too much falling down and looking at the ref. Increasingly, those plays are going unrewarded, and he will acquire a reputation. But notice how the attention that he drew on the left freed up space for the other players. He was getting two, even three defenders, as Betis were determined not to let SPF 45 pick them apart again. Well, he didn’t, but…
Messi: 9. Our little Argentine did. He was on fire this match, with passing, movement, playing defense and chasing back. This is the Messi that we all want to see. His energy and pace were shredding Betis. He was the assist man on both Eto’o goals, with precisely weighted balls. That first one saw him give Eto’o the ball in a spot that allowed Eto’o the ease of control that facilitated the killer shot. The second ball as well had the exact right amount of pace on it. Too little and the defender gets to it. Too much and Eto’o can’t. There was only one moment that he should have passed instead of shooting. His pass would have been a sure goal. If he makes that pass, he gets a 10. He is also learning that the chaos that he creates needs to be capitalized upon with passes instead of shots.
Eto’o: 9. Who else screamed like crazy at that first goal? That was classic Eto’o, even if it was a little high for comfort. He controlled that ball, made two lightning-quick moves and pow! The second goal was more of a sitter, but we’ve all seen players miss those. He was also all over the pitch again, chasing back, running at the keeper to hasten his play and just being an overall demon. He didn’t look all that happy on the bench after he came out though, did he? Couldn’t tell if that was because of the play on the pitch, or because he wanted more time. Hopefully it was the former. The rapport between he and Messi is amazing to watch.
Substitutes:
Gudjohnsen: 8. That’s right, 8. Suck it up. Was his goal lucky? Somewhat. But the concentration required to make contact and steer the ball in the generally right direction weren’t luck at all. And outside the goal, he was always in the right place at the right time, a stabilizing force that took passes and slowed the game down, because he knew that time was more important than one more completed pass. It was an excellent stint from the Monument. Let’s see more of that, please.
Busquets: 5. Solid, very solid. Didn’t have to do all that much, because he came in when our feathers had come back up.
Krkic: 6. Shooting practice, young’un. Shooting practice. If he bends that ball instead of shooting it directly at the keeper, he has a goal. But he was pace and energy, a nigh-constant presence in the box. He’s learning to move without the ball, and his understanding with Xavi is growing by leaps and bounds.
(this is a new one)
Guardiola: 9. Great substitutions. How he knew which players to put in was beyond me. But think about it. He put it two youngsters and an Icelandic Monument. And it worked. Did he know they were due, or did he just get lucky? Either way, he coached a hell of a match, even haranguing the guys into getting back to work.
We could have used Hleb in this match. He probably would have come in instead of Gudjohnsen. Of course, then we might not have nailed the game winner, but still. He’s still about two weeks out. He was hurt a couple of weeks ago, and the word was 4 weeks on the sick list.
Next up, and very stern test in Espanyol at their stadium in the Barcelona derby. Stay tuned.
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The biggest current difference with playing Messi and Iniesta up front is that Iniesta is attacking and keeping the ball moving, rather than succumbing to “midfield-itis,” where he dithers around with it, moving it about laterally instead of getting it toward the goal. Big difference.
Caceres fessed up, huh? I still don’t think it was a penalty.
He did get man, but he got ball first….just. Admittedly, lots of refs would have given that one, though. Another example of luck in our favor. That, and the ball went squirting out before the man went down.Perhaps the remaining magic of Gudjohnsen’s goal was him being fired up by the bile of the fans against him.
That can be inspirational, that desire to prove someone wrong. Either way, he had a hell of a 20 minutes.I want to look more at Abidal’s transformation. I’m of two minds. The first is that he wasn’t really as bad as everyone believes or says. As I’ve said before, he’s made some errors, but so have the other defenders. He seems to have shorn up those weaknesses, and found a way to do that AND move forward with more effectiveness. I was rooting for that pass from Messi to find him. A goal would have been icing on the cake for him.
But also, I think that Guardiola’s demonstrated confidence in Abidal by sticking with him seems to have done wonders. I also think that Abidal must be a player that works better with a stronger coach, such as Guardiola.
Either way, I’m glad he’s now solidifying the signs that he was showing in the back part of last season, that he is fast becoming the player we thought we’d signed.
Of course as I type this, I’m sure next match he’ll make some error, throw in some of those moon ball crosses of his, and in general make a liar out of me.
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last point i’ll make: Eto’o doesn’t have Rooney-itis… he’s actually scoring goals.
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“guddie’s goal was 75% making the run and being in position”…BA makes a great point there. It was a well-positioned move…Great ball in, great positioning, sort of a strangled-cat-noise of a shot, but it went in, just like Guddie planned it. (”If I swing wildly at it with the proper force, it will swing by the keeper’s outstretched arm and flick in off the post…BOOYAH!”)
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Now I know I wasn’t the only one who was shaking my head in disgust thinking that Pep was throwing in the towel when he inserted Guddy onto the pitch. Call it 75% “positioning” but the odds of Guddy making that shot are 100:1 if not greater. As the saying goes, “sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.”
I take slight issue on Betis’ second goal considered a stroke of brilliance. While that may be true, in part, this is the similar “scenario” that befell the club much throughout last season – giving up on or two opportunistic chances for the opposition to capilatize on. In whole, that can’t be reasoned to a continued rash of brilliance and bad luck, rather poor defensive marking and lack of communication at the back.
Again we see Barcelona conceeding few direct shots on goal relatively speaking, but the opposition seem to capitalize on them almost without fail. Whereas Barcelona require 20 or more shots to extract the same result. It’s still very perplexing, even given the fact that Barcelona’s “style” is that of an open, offensive mindset. Now whenever I see the opposition taking a shot on goal (even if it’s their ONLY opportunity in the match) I start to cringe, almost expecting it to find the back of the net.
The bottom line here is that if Barcelona want to establish themselves as “serious” contenders they have to put teams like Betis away, early and convincingly. Great sides don’t allow “luck” or one individual stroke of brilliance get in the way of putting their foot on the opposition’s throat and taking the air out of them as well as dashing any hopes of a win. Perhaps this team will develop that “killer” instinct in time that remains to be seen. What I am more certain of is that a similar performance against Espanol may not net such a favorable result. I don’t expect lightning to strike twice.
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“…few direct shots on goal… but the opposition seem to capitalize…”…I’d like to look back at all the opposition goals, and maybe I’m reading too many “destructive” Barca blogs during my offtime from The Offside, but just looking at the 2 Betis golas , I have to say I think a Casillas or Buffon stops one or both of those.
…I’m beginning to smell “good, but not great Goalie” (not to excuse the yet-to-find-it’s-stride defense)…there was something blaming in VV’s rant after the free kick that looked a little guilty to me. Goalie sets wall, right?…goalie covers holes in wall, right?
The beatiful chip shot get’s stopped if VV commits or stays on his line, he did something in between. Not atrocious…just not world class. (Gotta rag on somebody now that iMonument is off bounds.)
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No goal, scored or conceded, is blameless.
Not to be putting a downer on things but that’s the way it is.
The first goal is Toure and Keita’s fault in the wall. Number two gets shared between Caceres (for giving Jose Mari too much space), Abidal (for going to ground and not winning the ball)and possibly a touch of Valdes (for not getting a stronger hand on the ball).
“If we play the way we did in the first half, it’s 3 or 4-0.”
We didn’t and the people most responsible must get a slightly lower rating. IMO.You could stay the same for Betis. They will say that the marker shouldn’t have let Eto’o shoot for the first and got a block on Messi’s cross for the second. etc. etc. etc.
Impressive game, if an unimpressive 15mins. All in all a good match and a good performance. Bring on Espanyol.
Am I the only one expecting Pique to return to the XI Saturday?
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Cojonudo, have a look at that second Betis goal again. Now, maybe if Pique is the defender he just heads it away, but given that it was a shorter Caceres, that ball was put in the exact spot that it needed to be. Think about how many passes find the man just off the shoulder of the defense, just onside, hitting him on his good leg and in stride so that the defender is on his back.
You won’t find many of them, and the passes you do find like that result in goals about 99% of the time.
The opposition scores on so few attempts because when we give up possession, it’s usually with our defenders way up the pitch, so everything is wide open. The other side is playing 9 or 10 men back.
IceMel, Valdes was livid about that first goal because he did have the wall properly set. Keita moved, and the way the shot was struck, he just couldn’t get to it. Valdes was covering the one available spot if Keita doesn’t move.
That second goal we’re in agreement on. He seemed to be caught in no man’s land a bit. It was still a great finish.
Casillas or Buffon don’t stop that first one. And Casillas and Buffon have looked pretty human this year, as well. If a keeper sets the wall and it moves, that’s life. That’s as opposed to Alves’ free kick, which was pretty crazy. A little more gusto and that one’s in. But more gusto and it isn’t placed as well.
Nice one, BA.
And I will say that I, for one, am not looking a gift horse in the mouth. We’ve won two in a row in the league. This last match wasn’t as close as the score indicated. Once we resumed actually playing, Betis never looked like scoring again.
The next match will be completely different. But Espanyol beat Valladolid and Recre, as they were supposed to. They tied Getafe and took a 2-0 loss to Sevilla, a team that couldn’t score a goal on Betis, a team that we put three on (and should have scored more, frankly). I think Espanyol is a win, even though we’re at their home across town.
Abidal plans to run to the match.
But because I believe in collective karma, it’s important not to be typical cules and find reasons to be negative. Barca has always had lots of shots on goal. C. Ronaldo, player of the year, had an absurd shots to goals ratio (and I don’t mean efficient, by the by). More shots mean goals, and goals mean wins.
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Kxevin, not looking to be negative.
Barca know how to score goals. It has never been a problem and probably never will even if there are matches we don’t score in.
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Oh, not you specifically, Ciaran. I’m just trying to keep the collective karma good. Four matches into a new regime, I think we’re looking great, particularly as new faces are integrated into the side.
I think that shot was ripped so hard, it would have taken a hard man to stand his ground. That ball gave a whole new definition to “nutmeg.”
And in ex-Barca news, Ronaldinho has been left off the Brazil squad. Kaka in, R10 out. Wow.
Also, I plan to re-watch the game this evening. Scores might be adjusted in the face of new evidence, though the odds of that happening are long.
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On the Caceres penalty debate, watch this clip of him..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EBtMaGsmDk …he has gotten away with many tackles, one of them even on Messi…May be he just times his tackles well…Posted from
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…aw man I was just starting to feel like real cule…I guess we are not doomed to 4-6 years of silverwareless years just because we don’t have the Goalie of the Century…but it’s sure nice to nightmare…
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IceMel, feel free to swap sunny Cali for rainy Ireland.
A nice day here and it doesn’t rain. We have 4 seasons in Ireland… too bad that they are all Autumn
On the goalkeeper situation: I think everyone thinks that if VV wasn’t Catalan we would have bought someone already. I love him though. He takes it so personally. I have believed in his ability for quite some time now and have always wished that he was the best keeper in the world.
Anyone else remember this look…?
http://valogatott.fanzone.hu/images/2440/photo.jpg
For the record… here’s who I sign in Football Manager…
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Pardon me for sounding “negative” but that’s the pessimist in me when it comes to Barcelona. I will support them till the end no doubt but always with one eye looking over my shoulder…
I would respectfully have to disagree with the comment, from my colleague Kxevin “This last match wasn’t as close as the score indicated.” Had it not been for Guddy pulling a rabbit out of his hat this game could very well have ended in another dissapointing tie at home.
And if it has come down to Guddy, (or some unlikely candidate) left to rescue Barcelona from out of the fire then this team has more “problems” than I initially thought. Yes, it’s early and no I will not be pressing the panic button anytime soon but I simply cannot agree with the assessment that Barcelona should/will win against Espanol taking this last match into account. I have no doubt that if Barcelona display a similar performance against Espanol like they did against Betis they will surely lose. That’s not me being “negative” that’s an understanding that Espanol is a much better outfit than Betis and the match being at their house surely doesn’t help our chances either.
I still believe Barcelona can win but (no disrespect to some of you who haven’t been indoctrinated into this rivalry) Espanol looks forward to this match more than any other on their calendar. Having witnessed a match between the two a few years ago at Montjuic I can attest to how “bitter” this rivalry is. Of course it didn’t help that I was surrounded by a bunch of Espanol fans wearing an Eto’o jersey. Suffice it to say my cousin and I got out of there like a bat out of hell once the match was over. Even my relatives are split in their allegiances, half Barcelona fans the other half Espanol fans. Espanol fans like to think of themselves as “off the beaten path” types and consider Barcelona fans, as “bandwagoners” for the most part. My cousin relayed to me than when Tamudo scored the goal that essentially knocked Barcelona out of title contention last year, Espanol fans were dancing in the streets. If my suspicions are right this will be no easy test for us. I just hope “we” win because let’s just say I have a “bet” riding on it…worse yet having my cousin rub it in afterwards if we lose. I’m definitely not looking forward to that phone call.
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give me ochoa anyday. he is amazing
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Well, I’ll be over here in the optimists corner, Cojonudo. The way we’re playing (and I say we because as a soci, I’m part of the club), we can win anywhere on the planet.
We’ll see a different back line against Espanyol that will remove the liability of Marquez from its midst. Probably Alves, Puyol, Pique, Abidal. Guardiola might play Marquez with Puyol instead of Pique, but if he does he’s crazy. I imagine Keita is being taught how to turn his butt to the ball to protect his manhood, rather than moving aside.
I also see Keita as DM. Although Yaya wins balls like crazy, against Espanyol we’ll need early offense, and the team is more fluent offensively with Keita.
Don’t forget about Valdes’ good plays, stops and giving up his body on that Betis breakaway. Yes, other keepers seem more appealing. We don’t have them. We have ours, and he’s pretty damned good. A keeper is only as good as his defense in many ways. Casillas has been rather porous this season. He will be less so with the return of Cannavaro.
The lads had a bad 15-20 minutes of football against Betis. The rest of the match wasn’t a real contest. Just lots of offsides and failed long balls for them.
And I repeat: Espanyol isn’t as good as their record. They certainly aren’t as good as we are. Last year, they were because of many unfortunate factors. I watched the Sevilla/Betis match, and thought for sure that Betis would give a better defensive account. But we put the knife in early. They came into the match because we let them in. Guardiola will be on the case, and that won’t happen against Espanyol. He left three key players in for a bit too long.
It might be a draw, but I doubt it. It definitely won’t be a loss. But the difference is that I see the other 70 minutes of football. Others see the bad 20 minutes. Those are easy to fix. If Henry isn’t in the starting XI and you have to sub for Eto’o, it’s Henry. We lose none of the danger factor as we did when Krkic entered (no offense to those Krkic fans….he’s the business, just not right now. Henry curls that ball around the keeper instead of not realizing how much time he had, and snatching at the shot.)
I reckon we would have seen Puyol and Henry against Betis, but Guardiola was betting that we could win against them without pulling every sword from its scabbard.
But I repeat: Sevilla put two goals on Espanyol after not being able to score against Betis. And whatever those Andalucians might believe, Sevilla doesn’t have our offense, particularly since we have two critical parts of their offense now wearing our colors.
As far as Gudjohnsen or some unlikely candidate, the way our offense is going, everybody moving forward is a very likely candidate. Don’t forget that Messi was an outstretched defender’s leg away from giving Abidal a goal.
We’re going to be fine.
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Everything you say is pretty much spot on Kxevin. I don’t mean to come across as argumentative, I just happen to share some differences of opinion. You can’t go by Espanol’s lackluster play of late. Think of this game as a Bears/Packers game. The Packers always KILL the Bears in Soldier Field (and for the most part have been the most successfull side well over the past decade.) But when the Bears come to Lambeau Field they always give the Packers fits for some reason. You basically throw the records out the window because this is a rivalry game. These teams genuinely HATE each other. Maybe drawing comparions to Espanol v. Barcelona is not exactly on the same parallel but you get my point. When these two get together you can throw records and recent form out the window. Espanol wants to win this game BADLY I can assure you and it has much more to do with beating their rival than their spot in the standings.
Again you have to experience it to know where I’m coming from. Sure, on paper Barcelona should win, and yes, Barcelona can beat anyone on the planet I have no doubts about that. But they can also manage to lose to a Numancia as well. Am I confident that Barcelona will win? Yes, absolutely. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they lost either considering their opponent and how “up” they will be for this match. Again it’s a rivalry. Barcelona don’t view it in the same respect as Espanol does, but I can bear testimony to how much Espanol fans are looking forward to this match. They know they have no realistic chance of winning La Liga but nothing would be sweeter than derailing Barcelona’s chances of doing so.
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here is a decent account of the barca-espanyol rivalry:
http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=882151
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don’t discount Espanyol so easily. they always play twice as hard against us, and the combination of Tamudo and de la Peña are ALWAYS dangerous. Kameni is also a top-notch keeper who’s denied us many times in the past.
this game will be a test, i’d say as much so as a game against the likes of Villareal or Sevilla. our guys need to stay very sharp. if they play like they did for most of the 2nd half of the Betis game, we will not win.
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Oh, it’s definitely Bears/Packers. But with a massive dose of detestation tossed in. Bears fans don’t really HATE Packers fans. It’s hard to truly hate someone from Wisconsin. You know, what with the winters, the custard, the accent and all.
And (ahem) the Bears have won 5 of the last 6 meetings between the Packers, sir. So I don’t know about “always” killing the Bears at Soldier Field. We also have a 90-76-9 record in our favor against the Pack. But the “ugly 90s” do stand out, when the Packers essentially owned the Bears.
I’m fully up on the history of Barca-Espanyol, too, particularly the “Catalan complexity” of having a “Spanish” club in Cata-land.
But I can assure you that our lads remember last season very, very well. They caught us while we were down. I’m not saying it won’t be a test, but I have confidence.
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Cojonudo, your going to Montjuic wearing an Eto’o jersey amidst a bunch of Espanyol fans points strongly to a latent suicidal tendency. Please do yourself a favor and seek some professional help asap (sorry I can’t be available that soon)
If you find yorself desperately in need of adrenaline, go for bungee or sky diving… It’s much safer!
From El Montseny, looking at the first brown leaves of a magnificent oak…
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Of course, if he just wants to get it over with, he should wrap himself in a huge senyera, refuse to speak to anyone in Castillano and repeatedly point out that the addition of the “y” to their name defames the memory of Rafael Casanova.
Just trying to help, of course . . .
They do give always give us fits, but I’ve always considered it much more like Padres-Dodgers than Bears-Packers.* They hate us, but we really don’t care that much.
* apologies to Genis and others for all of the North American sport analogies.
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No need to apologize, Ursus! I get the idea, since I know very well what these analogies refer to… Ah, if I allowed myself to explain some things… But I won’t!
By the way, and jokes apart, not that many years ago, this rivalry caused more than one death by knife among the so called Brigadas Blanquiazules (Castilian for “White-and-blue brigades”) and the thanks-to-Laporta-now-extint “Boixos Nois” (Catalan for something that sounds like “Crazy guys”, although it’s misspelled).
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Are the Boixos really gone, or have they just gone underground?
They had much more than share of genuinely unpleasant characters.
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The Boixos have gone underground, of course, although they seconded publicly the vote against Laporta. But at least they do not have any more the support of the board, nor contacts within the staff in order to get tickets to resell, nor a room inside the stadium to store their props, nor the stands behind the goals only for them, nor free access to all the stadium to chase and beat anyone they -or the board- didn’t like… They’re gone for good, at least for now. And Laporta’s family still has to live with bodyguards because of them. To dismantle this organization required *a lot* of courage on Laporta’s part.
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Spot on, Genis. Back when they were trying to oust him, that was one of the things that I pointed to as a very positive thing from the Laporta deeds done.
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