The business of business is business, a.k.a. “What’s the deal, Eto’o and Yaya?”

By: Kevin | October 10th, 2008

Didn’t Joan Laporta lose a briefcase?

Now, we aren’t saying this is it….but if it was, what do you suppose it might contain? Plans for the future? His after-Barca hopes and dreams, for when his term expires? Or an operational document titled “Stirring Stuff Up While Keeping the Customers Satisfied.”

There’s some stuff going on right now in Barca-land, a happy place that is seeing storm clouds gathering on the horizon….

Or not.

Remember these two names: Toure Yaya and Samuel Eto’o. Here’s the deal:

Everyone’s favorite human wall, Toure Yaya (yes, it used to be Yaya Toure….so blame his wife for the switch) is getting antsy. Or is he. Yaya’s agent, Dimitri Seluk, has fired a warning shot of sorts across the Blaugrana bow. The essence of the nattering is that if his man doesn’t get first-team footy, and I don’t mean yesterday, he’s going to follow up on preliminary negotiations with the likes of Juventus, who are rumored to have tabled a 5-year, 3.8 million Euro deal for the Cote d’Ivoirean defensive midfielder.

“Yaya would prefer to stay, he likes being a player at Barcelona,” said Seluk. “But if he does not play, it is likely we will negotiate with other clubs. He is 25 years old, and cannot be on the bench watching others play.”

“Toure is a professional, working hard and playing for the club. But I know who wants to talk to the club (to discuss a transfer). Juventus, example, and I know of one other team in England.”

Now contrast this with a September statement, in which Yaya said:

“We cannot play with twelve guys. Physically I’m very good but one has to accept the decisions of the manager. I’m a profesional and if I don’t play, I have to try and help the team. I’m patient.”

Is that patience running out? Or is Yaya’s agent just mouthing off?

Some wondered, when Keita was signed, what the future our our very own, very active man crush would be. When Sergi Busquets hung around from the B squad, everyone thought it was cute, like he was a mascot or something. Then Guardiola saw him play, and uh, oh….

Many think that Busquets is precisely the kind of passing, ball-skills rich defensive mid that Guardiola wants to have, as an image of sorts (though Guardiola was never a DM) of his role in the mid-90s “Dream Team.” His play has certainly been a revelation, making his signing a real priority. After all, 30,000 Euros a season, his current pay packet, is barely walking-around money in Barcelona.

And what of Yaya? Guardiola is almost certainly going to be mightily vexed at this one. Yaya has had two starts this season, and has played very well in both. But if he gets the next one, it will look as if the team has caved in to the pressure of an agent.

Distressing me greatly is that Yaya hasn’t come out to say “Don’t know what the hell my agent was talking about. Must have been the Missus. What I said in September still goes. My time will come.”

The silence is something I don’t like. Not one bit. My man crush is still in effect, but I’m thinking about only sending a half-dozen roses instead of the full dozen.

Maybe Yaya talked to Guardiola already to smooth things over. Maybe he really feels that way. As we all know, agents talk out of their butts. Get the player a raise and a hefty transfer fee, and they get a cut, right? Rock on. Let’s talk some nonsense to stir some crap up.

On paper, we now have three defensive midfielders with very different skill sets. Yaya is the wall, the fluent, versatile rock who is skilled at making the right pass from the back, or rumbling upfield on the attack.

Keita is still looking for a defined role. But we just bought him, right?

Busquets isn’t as much the man wall as that defensive-minded sort of semi-attacking mid.

What happens? Stay tuned.

Meanwhile, it’s on to l’affaire Eto’o.

The Cameroonian striker’s contract expires in 2010, which means that we have to sell him if we don’t want the ugly specter of a free transfer to raise its head. A cut-rate sale would be bad enough. A recent article over at Goal.com suggested that the club is planning to offer Eto’o an extension, at a bit of a pay cut. In effect, the question is “Do you really love the club, or do you really love the money?” Mind you, Goal.com is the only place that we have seen this report, so color me suspicious. No other media outlets have picked it up. Not even the EE-loving AS. Not a peep out of Sport. EMD talks about the difficult decision the club and Eto’o will have to make with a contract renewal, but nothing about loyalty tests and a pay cut.

Eto’o has suitors, without question. He asked the club to lower his transfer fee, with the future in mind. You’d hate for your only option to be the cash-rich Citeh, right?

We all recall that Eto’o was on the block this past summer transfer season. There were nibbles and inquiries, but no serious bites, because of his transfer fee and salary demands. But what about this summer?

As regulars have read before, I think that this summer, we lose both Eto’o and Henry, one to a big offer, the other to somewhere that will allow him to play out the string in style, comfort and without the snarky Barcelona footy press. “A brace? Piffle. That’s not the Henry that Barcelona was buying. What a bad deal he’s turned out to be.”

Both are going to be difficult to replace, and names being bandied about such as Aguero and Benzema ain’t it, in my estimation.

On a grimmer note, that harmony and team spirit that Guardiola has so carefully built up is suddenly looking to be tested. Or is it? One way of knowing will be if players speak out in favor of Yaya or Eto’o. Silence can say one of two things: We agree with the club, or we disagree but don’t want to say anything. I’d much rather see the former than the latter.

Things are going so well right now. I’d hate for business to mess them up.

Now, here’s my view on the Eto’o matter: The club has a right to try whatever it can to ensure its future, just as a player has the right to seek better offers from other clubs. That’s business. Fiscally and all that jazz, I think the Eto’o move is a good one. Might as well find out now.

From a team perspective, I don’t like it one bit. He’s happy and playing well, even if he’s playing for a nice contract somewhere, either with us or elsewhere. Players always kick ass and take names in the last effective year of their contract. Henry signed a four-year deal, so he in effect has two more seasons with us. But I just don’t see him staying.

And that’s what the scuttlebutt has going. Might be nonsense, might be true. But there’s a lot of silence all ’round. The club hasn’t called BS on the Eto’o thing, Yaya hasn’t called his agent crazy.

But it’s too early for any of this crap to be going on.

Discuss.





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  • Genis |  October 12th, 2008 at 9:39 am

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    Colin, I must recognize that I’m not up to the task of understanding your point. You say, “In today’s economy, players expect financial commitment from the club in return for their dedication. That may seem unreasonable to some fans who want dedication to the club for dedication’s sake.” But, what about the fans -the majority, I would say- that expect dedication from the players in return for the financial commitment they obtain from the club, in return for what they are being paid? Did you just forget them? Or perhaps in your opinion they don’t count because you think their number is negligible? Because, I, personally, still haven’t met a single soci who wants dedication to the club for dedication’s sake. But, of course, I could be wrong, since I only have regular contact with some dozens of them. However, I can’t infer this position either from the Barça “milieu” conformed by the Catalan media (you know, the press and its forums on-line, all those radio programs with listeners that call and send e-mails…).

    You also say that, “other world class players look at how the club negotiates [and] they will remember how Eto’o is treated if it comes to a decision between Barca or say Cheslea or Milan, or worse”. Well, on this I agree: If a world class player only sees that, overlooking the details of Eto’os case, let him stay where he is or let him go wherever he wishes. We shall prefer those other world class players that mainly see that, if they come to Barça, *and their dedication to the club matches the financial commitment they obtain from the socis*, they could well end up winning something important at the team level or at the personal level, such as a Balon d’Or, a FIFA player, or both, like most of the world’s top-class players that have signed for Barça in the last 20 years. Or else, they could see the stance of the club towards a player like Xavi -just to quote the most recent example- who will be offered one of the higher contracts, for all his playing life, plus a position reserved for him in the club’s structure when he retires.

    And, Colin, how curious it is that you talk about “how the economy of world soccer affects Barca” (and soccer in general, let me add), because, just *two* days ago, I read the following report in a serious and respected newspaper (just in case you don’t feel like reading it, the headlines say, “The international financial crisis put the English clubs in jeopardy (West Ham, the worst affected one, will have to sell eight players in January)”:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elperiodico.com%2Fdefault.asp%3Fidpublicacio_PK%3D46%26idioma%3DCAS%26idnoticia_PK%3D551291%26idseccio_PK%3D1011&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en

    It will be interesting to see how things develop from now on, dont you think?

    From El Montseny

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  • Colin |  October 12th, 2008 at 11:00 am

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    Genis: your points are well taken. Players certainly must live up to the financial commitment the club makes to them because they are so well paid. So we have a two way street: players should respect the financial commitment of the club, and the club should realize that players will expect their market value.

    The question is: what is Eto’o’s market value? You seem to imply he deserves less than other world class players when you say: “If a world class player only sees [the negotiations], overlooking the details of Eto’os case, let him stay where he is or let him go wherever he wishes.” What are the details of Eto’o’s case that make him less valuable than his production and talent dictate? Do you feel Eto’o has not lived up to his contract? Is that why he should be put to the “how much do you love the club” test? Are you arguing that Eto’o has shown some insufficient dedication to the club, and that is why he does not deserve the type of contract his talent and production dictates, unlike Xavi who has shown sufficient dedication?

    If that’s what you mean by “the details of Eto’o’s case”, then I simply disagree. Eto’o has been a very large part of the success of the club during his time at Barca, and he always plays very hard. He has shown great dedication to the new project, as Laporta seems to agree:

    “One of the soap operas of the summer was the possible transfer of Samuel Eto’o. You’re having the feeling that you have a time bomb in the dressing room?

    Laporta: No, I again see a motivated Eto’o who adds his fighting spirit to the group. He’s a non-conformist and he brings energy and ambition to the team. Samuel has refound his motivation. At the end of last season we were disappointed and he also was. Now it’s another guy. He saw that we have built a group who is hungry for victories. We don’t want him to change. He has a a lot of character and personality.”

    http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2008/09/laporta-never-wanted-to-sell-etoo.html

    As for the international market, I was speaking more about the general rise in player salaries and transfer prices than the recent international financial crisis. Laporta’s board deserves credit for getting the club into a much stronger financial position, which I believe will mean the club feels the effects of the financial crisis less than debt ridden clubs.

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  • Genis |  October 12th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

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    Colin, I would summarize in the following way the “details of Eto’o’s case”, which, as you’ll remember, were discussed quite thoroughly by most of us about a month ago:

    - Granted: Eto’o has been a very large part of the success of the club during his time at Barca,
       *when* he played very hard. BUT,

    - Eto’o has been, as well, a very large part of the *failure* of the club during his time at Barca:
      - when he didn’t play hard,
      - when he let his tongue loose at Vilafranca attacking his manager and some of his teammates,
      - when he said that “No silver, no more Eto’o”,
      - when he left his teammates in the lurch before the match against RM,
      - when he put his salary demands for any possible transfer to other first-rate teams at an
         unachievable level.
      - and, surely, some other detail that now doesn’t come to my mind.

    Why do you think Pep didn’t count on him? Because he’s not a first-rate striker? Surely He is! Pep didn’t want him because Eto’o doesn’t fit into the “pinya” concept that underlies Pep’s mentality, attitude, and decisions, that concept that I’ve tried to explain in order to understand Pep better.

    And I wouldn’t give that much credit to those words from Laporta. It’s a “political” statement. I’d never expect him to answer to that question with something like: “Well, he has showed clearly that he’s been a time-bomb in this dressing room, and in others before Barça’s. He said that he would leave the team if we won nothing, but when Pep said that he didn’t count on him, he felt so much resented that he made his transfer impossible, making impossible for us to sign the striker that Pep wanted. So, we have to put up with him and hope that he doesn’t destroy the team again. We also suspect that he’ll seek revenge leaving Barça for free when his contract with us expires”.

    FEM

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  • Genis |  October 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

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    As for Barça’s financial position, since the club is not a business, but a civil association (another Catalan cultural trait, by the way), since there are no shares to buy, sell or accumulate, nor are there shareholders, but just members of the association, the “socis”, I think that Barça stands in a much more favorable position in this time of financial crisis compared to most of the other great teams, which have become more and more a commercial business and the objective of strong investments that, in this days, could be withdrawn without notice.

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  • Kxevin |  October 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

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    Nice discussion, Colin and Genis. You’ve both made excellent points. I think that Genis’ reading of Laporta’s words is closer to the truth, including Eto’o wanting to screw us by leaving on a free. But I’ve said that before.

    He is playing for a contract, and we should ride that horse for as long as we can. And if he doesn’t have feelers out for a new team, he’s crazy, and he isn’t crazy, so I suspect that he does. Both sides should behave in a way that suits their interests.

    I would also suggest that “non-conformist” is malleable. It can be used to boost a well-liked player, when if another player behaved in the same way, that person would be pilloried. Imagine what would have happened had Thierry Henry said “no silver, I’m outta here.” He isn’t even allowed to ask a valid question about what position he is to play in the side, without it being interpreted as whining. Imagine if he’d said something that inflammatory, then resisted when the team tried to grant his wish.

    Can anyone imagine Puyol saying such a thing? Or Xavi? Or Messi? No way.

    The term I would use for Eto’o, aside from talented, is self-interested. And he should be. Every player is and should be. But a team has to protect itself, assuming all of this contract renewal business is true, just as a player has to protect himself.

    Eto’o’s value is an interesting question. There is a body of belief that he can’t score outside of the Barca system. I think that’s crazy, but he has certainly had the most success within it. We’ve never seen him outside our system, in his prime, so who knows whether such things are true.

    On another note, when asked for comment about the Juventus/agent situation, Yaya said that he couldn’t comment at this time. This is absolutely the WRONG thing to say, unless all of the stuff that his agent is talking is true. If it is, as I’ve said before: I love ya Yaya, I respect what you’ve done for the side, but don’t let the door hit you in the ass. Best wishes in your new home.

    A player simply canNOT hold a team hostage by saying “play me or I’m out of here.” By contrast, Henry hasn’t received minutes commensurate with his perceived position either, but here are some comments he made to journalists in France about playing, rotation and a January trip to Man City: (It’s a big chunk, and Henry sounds pretty annoyed.)

    “One thing’s for sure, the Manchester City thing and all the things you’re talking about need to stop.

    I’ve played three matches in the league and I’ve scored twice. So there you go. I missed two [matches] because I was ill.

    Messi has been on the bench twice, Eto’o has been on the bench twice, Alves hasn’t been in the side recently. The coach rotates players, but you don’t stop talking when it’s my turn. Talk about everyone!

    When Puyol doesn’t play against Betis, when Alves isn’t in the group, when Messi doesn’t play against Santander, when Sam doesn’t play against Espanyol. If you’re going to talk, talk about everyone.”

    Now THAT is how you demand fairness, and make clear your committment to a club and your support of a coach. In effect, it’s “I’m here until they want me gone, and I respect the coach. So quit trying to sow dissent when I don’t play.”

    What a player should NOT say at a time such as a contretemps like this is “I can’t comment now,” which is all too easily interpreted as “My agent is negotiating, and I’ll have more to say when my bags are packed.”

    By the by TuttoSport (I don’t know the reliability of Italian media) is saying that Yaya wants to leave, we have accepted that fact, and have placed a 10 million valuation on him (which is slightly on the low side of right in context of the market, irrespective of his perceived value to all of us).

    Again, we’ll just have to wait for developments on this one.

    Oh, we’ll know the club is hurting financially when it sells the front of the shirt.

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  • Tomatutomate |  October 12th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

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    Tomatito is fine:-)

    BY Rijkards men I meant last years men. YaYa, Dos Santos, Bojan. I would not consider Xavi, Puyol, Iniesta, Valdez because they seem to be proven season after season,marquez too but it seems that Pep did not care much for Rijkards last attempt at enforcing the team. I’m not saying Pep is right or wrong, just simply stating something that called my attention. He is using Bojan but not as much as Frank did. Again not saying he is righ or wrong. I agree with you that say that Pep must have a very specific plan in his mind. If someone does leave I hope it doesnot disturb the existing team spirit that semms to be blooming. as said before team above any player.

    Seems as though Henry has rejected any possible Citeh move in the winter. Sport>.es

    From now on I’ll be changing my user name to. Alex
    Not that anyone cares ;-(

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  • Alex |  October 12th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

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    See. Just for Kxevin

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  • Kxevin |  October 12th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

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    We want Tomatutomate! We want Tomatutomate!

    See? We ALL care. :D

    And you’re right in that he isn’t using Krkic as much as Rijkaard did. What are your thoughts on my suggestion that Guardiola is using Krkic about as much as you should be using an 18-year-old striker candidate, enough to get him real time on the pitch, but not so much that you put too much stress on him, or break him down.

    Dos Santos wanted fame and fortune in the Premiership. I hope he’s happy. Have Spurs won yet, or are they still winless and bottom of table? I think what he’s finding is what a lot of people find, which is that having the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta running around make life seem a lot better than it is.

    I hope you’re right about the team spirit. That’s my pricinpal concern, more about the Yaya incident than Eto’o. I think that people know what they’re getting with Eto’o.

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  • Tomatomatutomate (Alex) |  October 12th, 2008 at 9:26 pm

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    Kxevin, thanks I gues I’m a attention whore:-)

    Anyway, Yes Guardiola is using Bojan as much as he should. As much as I love Bojan, I think he was fortunate and oportunistic more than good last year. Partly because he was used alot more than I spected. But he will grow faster this way because he will have to take advantage of the few minutes he gets making sure he makes decision that willimpact the game positively rather than firing ramdom shots. Up to now Bojan has been selfish for the most part, firing when he should have passed. Except for the one touch pass to Henry. That was awsome! I remember a remark by Pep saying he but Bojan in to get the fans more involved. I thought that was interesting because Guardiola put him in for a reason other than his skills.

    By the way who do you guys think should win the Golden Ball.

    Xavi!!!!

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  • Genis |  October 12th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

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    Alex, if you don’t mind, now and then I’ll call you “Tomate” or “Tomatito” in order to adjust myself progressively to this new reality…

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  • Tomatutomate |  October 12th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

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    Genis, should you not be asleep? Is it 7:30am over there?

    You Guys can call me what ever you want.

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  • Tomatutomate |  October 12th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

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    Does anyone remember how much we bought Toure for? According to peps place tuttosport is saying that Barca put a 10M price tag. Seems a little cheap for me, I know that DM’s aren’t usually that expensive but it is one of the harder positions to find the right person. By the way didn’t Juventus just purchase Poulsen for that position.

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  • Genis |  October 12th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

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    Kevin, sometimes I think that Henry is really earning himself the label of “whiner”. That’s the word used by two different radio programs when introducing his comments yesterday. And, whatever credit you give to my thinking, that’s what came to my mind, as a simple soci, when I heard him. *Later* I could see that this impression is mostly created by his nonverbals, specially his tone of voice, but also by his choice of words: they are, IMO, too justificative. Perhaps he should be a bit more laconic when talking to the press and just mention the existence of a rotations policy. Other than that, his respect for the team is exemplary.

    And I agree with you when you say that we’ll know the club is hurting financially when it sells the front of the shirt. But I see this in a positive way: That means that we have a valuable resource we haven’t exploited yet!

    Visca l’optimisme!

    FEM

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  • Genis |  October 12th, 2008 at 10:43 pm

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    I get up at 6:30, Alex (formerly known as Tomatutomate or other derivatives of that noble and succulent vegetable’s name).

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  • Genis |  October 12th, 2008 at 11:45 pm

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    In case you’re interested: “Txiki Begiristain: ‘It was unquestionable that Ronaldinho had to go’ “.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elperiodico.com%2Fdefault.asp%3Fidpublicacio_PK%3D46%26idioma%3DCAS%26idnoticia_PK%3D552099%26idseccio_PK%3D1011&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=es&tl=en

    FEM

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  • Krish |  October 13th, 2008 at 6:08 am

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    and now goal.com comes up with this…

    wtf…wtff yaya…. :O

    http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=909895

    is this for real…i mean cmon…Yaya was one of our best players last season..he wants out this quick..?

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  • RUV |  October 13th, 2008 at 6:25 am

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    Wow. If these are truly Yaya’s words, my man-crush on him is now officially dead. He can leave tomorrow.

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  • ursus arctos |  October 13th, 2008 at 7:06 am

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    Gentlemen, this is Tuttosport, the most biased sports newspaper in Europe.

    Tuttosport on Juve makes Marca on Real Madrid look “fair and balanced”.

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  • eklavya |  October 13th, 2008 at 7:26 am

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    well this yaya stuff is getting serious, i dont him to leave!!!:
    http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2008/10/toure-wants-to-join-juventus-in-january.html

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  • Krish |  October 13th, 2008 at 7:30 am

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    ursus
    yeah man i do agree with the Tuttosport thing but why the hell is Toure quiet abt it…

    look at Henry…he is mighty pissed abt the press going on abt his impending transfer to Citeh…and he is letting em have it… :O

    Yaya say something cmon…. :O :O

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  • Kxevin |  October 13th, 2008 at 7:45 am

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    The Yaya silence is the question of the day. I can only construe that to mean that he does want to leave.

    Juve did indeed sign Poulsen, but Poulsen is sucking the big one, which explains why they want Yaya. That will be a sad day when Yaya leaves, if it comes to pass.

    However, I’m calling BS on the TuttoSport comments. Those just don’t sound like something Yaya would say.

    Ursos’ comments are very interesting, and damning, it must be said. I didn’t think any publication was worse than Marca in that regard.

    Speaking of the EE, negotiations for a Spain/England friendly are under way. Capello doesn’t want the Bernabeu because of racism concerns there. He is said to be considering Camp Nou, among other places. John? Care to comment? Do the black players there (Drenthe, Diarra)get a hard time? Doesn’t seem that way.

    Genis, I’m sure that radio programs up your way would label Henry’s comments as “whining.” It fits the general worldview up there of him. I think that’s the biggest thing that will drive him out of town this summer, frankly. I think that even after a 30-goal season, he still won’t get any real love from folks.

    My take was that he was clearly pissed about the constant “out of Barca” comments, and wanted to show his committment. But you are right in that it’s all about interpretation. I also didn’t hear the interview, but based on where it was, I presume it was in French, which isn’t the best language for conveying pique, particularly with its attendant non-verbal gestures. It can come off as a bit whiny, I must admit.

    Except for little old French ladies. When we’re at the market, and they’re arguing about a price, there’s never any doubt that they are as mad as wet hens. :D

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  • ursus arctos |  October 13th, 2008 at 8:15 am

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    Kxevin, trust me; it really is that bad. Tuttosport even embarrasses Juventini on a regular basis.

    My take on Yaya’s “silence” is that his agent (who is the one producing all of these “quotes”) has convinced him that this is simply “the way things are done” and the best way for him to maximise the value of his next contract.

    It would be interesting to see if Capello’s preference and the increasing importance of Xavi and Iniesta to the team could overcome the RFEF’s general attitude against playing matches in Catalunya.

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  • Tomatutomate |  October 13th, 2008 at 8:49 am

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    I think Capello wants to stick it to E E.

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  • Genis |  October 13th, 2008 at 9:05 am

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    Ursus, although the Spanish squad that won Euro ‘08 had eight (8) players that have played for Barça at some point in their careers (Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Cesc, Reina, Güiza, Navarro and García), I don’t think it would be a good idea to bring the squad to the Camp Nou: Rather than talking about the RFEF’s general attitude against playing matches in Catalunya, I would talk about Catalunya’s general attitude against hosting matches on behalf of RFEF’s… ;)

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  • Kxevin |  October 13th, 2008 at 10:03 am

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    Genis has the order exactly right. I still remember my first time in Barcelona and having my wife say “Holy crap. No Spanish flags!”

    It was striking, having just been in France for a national team match, and it was all about the flag and the anthem. Very interesting contrast.

    Posted from United States United States

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