

Thoughts on Other People’s Thoughts: The Value of Winning Titles
By: Isaiah | April 20th, 2009I’m not necessarily one for parsing the words of commentators, most of whom say whatever comes to mind rather than what they really think. Certainly most of them do it without view to the consequences and are lampooned for it by many people (for instance in the brilliance that used to be FJM), but sometimes they say things that get to the heart and soul of the problems with so many sports, sports fans, and thoughts on sports in general.
Our very own Ray Hudson, our dear RayRay, GolTV’s attempt at a Tommy Smyth on speed with an equally fast thesaurus, was once again in fine form during Barça’s game at Getafe. Now, I actually think I like Ray Hudson, despite his obvious faults (talks too much, never lets Phil say anything — perhaps these are not faults). Still, when he said that Barça’s current side could be considered one of the greatest if not of all time, then at least of the last couple of decades because of their beautiful play if it wins championships, I nearly freaked out, smashed my TV, and threw myself out of the window. What self-respecting watcher of any sport ever would say such a thing?
Perhaps my visceral reaction is confusing to some, but think about what Ray Hudson said for a moment. The logic goes like this: Good teams play beautifully. Great teams win titles. As in, if you do not win titles, you are not worthy of greatness. This is, to me anathema to everything that FC Barcelona stands for. The concept of beauty has absolutely nothing to do with success. Nothing whatsoever. Which was the better team in the 1970s, Argentina or the Netherlands?
In a world with no runners up, 2nd place really is 1st loser and is generally consigned to anonymity or only remembered by trivia nerds. However, there is little to suggest that beauty and success are necessarily intertwined. If that were the case, Real Madrid would have won 0 titles in the last 5 years and Barça, who have played consistently more beautifully than most, if not all, of La Liga, would have 4 or 5 of those titles. Instead they have 2 and none in the last 2 season.
This is a big pet peeve of mine and I’m going to go ahead and let it all out right here: just because something is successful does not mean it was the correct thing to do, nor just because something was successful does it mean it was better than everything else. For instance, if two people are in a cabin in the Alaskan wilderness in the middle of the winter with no coats, when it is 90 below 0 Fahrenheit and they have enough wood to keep warm for a fully week, but one of them decides to venture out into wilderness to seek help while one of them decides to stay inside and stay warm in hopes that someone will respond to their distress calls on the radio, and the one who goes outside encounters a party of searchers and the one inside dies because the house collapses on him, that doesn’t make the one who went outside without a coat on the one with good decision-making skills.
These are, to me, the same concepts. Doing things the right way and getting a bad result is still the right way to do things, while doing things the wrong way and getting a good result is still the wrong way to do things. Just because a Hail Mary pass succeeds once doesn’t mean you should throw one on every play. Because of the modern game’s parity in the upper echelons of the European leagues, a singular moment can change the outcome of a season. If Barcelona makes it to the final and takes on ManU and Barcelona has 40 shots on goal, but doesn’t score because of some absolutely stunning keeping by van der Saar and then a bad call by a ref gives one of Cronaldo’s dives a penalty and ManU win the Champions League 1-0, how does that make Barcelona’s season not one of the greatest ever? Even better, what if Barcelona scores a goal that is called back for offside when it clearly wasn’t and then Arsenal, who beat ManU in the semis because RvP plays out of his mind and scores a hat trick at Old Trafford, all off of free kicks, shoot a ball along the goal line that is called a goal even though it’s not really clear if it really crossed over or not? Suddenly Barcelona is at the mercy of forces outside of themselves, but, of course, that means they weren’t that great anyway, cause they couldn’t overcome such obstacles.
I’m not saying this year’s incarnation of FCB is one of the greatest ever, but to say that it is specifically not because it has won no championships is daft. Were Arsenal’s Invincibles not an amazing team? Well, sorry, guys, your perfect Premiership season means nothing whatsoever because you only won 1 title that year. Imagine if you’d won the CL? Oh, well, then we’d have reason to talk about your beautiful, brilliant play. Instead, we’re going to call you losers because that same year you didn’t win the Champions League.
My point is mainly not to judge teams by their titles first and all other things second. In a league, perhaps, but not in a tournament where teams do not play every other team. There is totality that must be considered, like the Buffalo Bills in the early 1990s who won nothing in real life, but were accurately portrayed in Tecmo Super Bowl. That Ray Hudson would stoop to such commentary lows is disappointing not only for him personally, but also for the listeners, who have to hear this sort of drivel. John Madden retired, why can’t I stop hearing these sorts of things?
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Does success mean winning or playing well? Is success having money and status or living a good life even if it means dying alone and young in the woods?
I think it was Locke that said “In the beginning, all the world was America.” Today, well, I’m convinced that increasingly all the world is America, but it means something totally different.
The dilemma you see is inescapable, a totally philosophic one that people have lamented over for centuries. It’s a postmodern world, brother, we’re just living in it.
I hope somebody understands what I’m saying and everyone doesn’t just react “huh?”
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I’m with everyone here. One of the main goals of a football club is to win trophies and stuff but when Barcelona is playing the way they are now, it doesn’t matter what they win and don’t win.
When I’m 95 years old, and I’m still watching football in one of those comfy rocking chairs, I’ll still remember the day Messi flew into the penalty box, got kicked by a defender, held his balance like a majestic cheetah chasing a gazelle, and kicked the ball into the net to save Barca’s 3 points.
This is inspirational football. The kind of football that gets kids to play and then they turn into football stars a few decades down the road. When they’re interviewed about who inspired them to play, they’re going to say “Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, and the entire 08-09 Barca team that amazed the entire world.”
That’s all that matters. Trophies don’t mean shit when the team is getting everyone’s hopes up in a world were hope is rare because of all the crazy shit going on. The recession? The war in Iraq? North Korea? When I’m watching Barcelona play, the world is manageable again.
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Purely relating to soccer, though, MoMoney brought up Arsenal, and that got me thinking.
I have so, so ignored Arsenal this year in the midst of the success Barcelona is having. Barcelona just kept winning and winning, so my Saturdays ended up being looked forward to so I could watch them, not Arsenal. Arsenal, the start it got off to, the disappointing injuries, I haven’t given them the respect a fan should give them.
Why?
Can we make the argument that Arsenal hasn’t been playing as beautifully? I think you can, and you can also argue in addition the numbers case that says they’re playing worse, and thus not winning. So in this case, beauty seems to translate to success. And if you look at the sweep of history, beauty is probably one of the most important determinant factors that goes into which teams are and which teams are not RELATIVELY successful (as oppose to absolutely successful, which means 1st out of 20, and not 2nd or 3rd). That’s why we remember the Netherlands…they were second best, but hardly forgotten.
But they WERE second best. The tactical engine that shuts down the most beautiful attack MUST be deemed a team more worthy of success, period, end of story. Arsenal’s scored some pretty cool goals this year, and conceded some pretty damn rotten ones.
If they were winning but just grinding out results, would I watch more? The answer is: YES. I could be watching something more fantastic, but when if my team is winning, my team is winning, and it motivates me to watch them next week more than if they made 100 slick, pretty passes, with way too many at the back between the defenders that resulted in a give-away that resulted in a very embarassing goal (happens all the time it seems).
And that’s America: if you win, we’ll watch you, you’ll have more money to play again next year. It’s MONEY. And it’s true for even the most conscious-of-this of us: Barcelona has been winning this year, Arsenal hasn’t, so I devote my time to paying close attention to a potential treble season rather than yet another 3rd or 4th place finish with no cup wins.
Should I support one team and one team alone? Maybe…but this is America dammit (who’ll I root for the Revolution?!?)!
(Somewhat unrelated but this’ll knock you all in your pants: with all the talk about beauty we’re doing here, can’t we concede that winning isn’t worth stopping the game for, say, two should’ve-been penalties and two incorrect offsides? Just saying.)
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i love ray hudson myself bro but i get what your saying…..
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Another thing is how trivial some of the factors are. The English media hypes Man Utd (which is a great team dont get me wrong) and bashes Arsenal for being “too foreign”. I have no doubt that if Arsene Wenger were British he would be hailed as a legend. Instead he is seen as the outsider, and his entire side is antagonized and loses credibility through constant media bashing… Anyways the point is the stupidest things sometimes influence who people see as the best. Another example is CR7. Terry makes the penalty- he is seen a a choke artist for the rest of his career… Such a joke
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i hope im not the only one in this comment thread that believes CR7 is totally overrated
like totally
ridiculously
hes pretty damn good i mean 41 goals in a season is no easy feat
but to take him over like 20 other more effective-not-as-big-name players is just stupid
thats why madrid will suck next year
and the year afterand BARCA shall prevail
please people i need to hear your thoughts on CR7
funny thing is i love portugal’s national team(behind armenia and russia)
and i still dont like the dudePosted from
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Joop Zoetemelk.
Whozzat, right? He finished second in the Tour de France six times. Won once, in 1980, but nobody remembers that one, a feat subsumed by his “close but no cigar” futility.
He had the great misfortune of having his career parallel not one, but TWO of the greatest cyclists to ever live, Eddy Merckx and Bernard Hinault.
Tough luck, right? Possibly. Or do championships define a side? As Ricky Bobby’s daddy said, “If you ain’t first, yer last.”
Which means what when it comes to the side we all love so much?
That ultimately, titles talk for one simple reason: They define greatness. Will this year’s side go down as one of the most beautiful in history? You bet. But when people talk about it, if it doesn’t win significant silver, it will always be “True, but what did they win?”
I want us to win the treble, Copa, Liga and Champions League for one simple reason: To strike a blow for beauty. Can you win by parking the bus as Man U did against Porto? Yep. Is there honor in that? Guess it depends on whom you ask. Man U fans will say “There is honor in winning.” Porto fans will say “No, no honor. Play football.”
It’s a pity that Wenger messed up the selection v Chelsea in the FA Cup. That was a winnable match. Arsenal plays lovely, attacking football that is brilliant to watch. But they don’t hold a candle to us. So EPL watchers will say “What cost beauty?”
Which is why we HAVE to win at the least, Copa and Liga, so that we can say, “Beauty wins.”
Will not winning major silver diminish in any way the glories that we have witnessed this season? No way. But they will give those who seek to doubt the value of beautiful football, an argument that I don’t want them to have.
Capello was fired for winning ugly. Dunga has the Selecao playing like a bunch of woodsmen. The Dutch were beautiful in the last World Cup, but ugly won, and I loathed it, and not just because I was for Les Bleus.
Who says you can’t be pretty and effective? A commenter in the Getafe match report dismissed my review as mere prose, in the service of nothing. Obviously, I disagree. If you can inform and analyze while still being readable and well-written, more’s the beauty.
What I do is a far, far cry from what our lads do, but it’s sort of the same, in that you can be pretty and effective. For that reason, I want this team to leave no doubt. I want trophies to go along with our inspirational football, so that we can claim greatness along with our oh, so obvious beauty.
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Valencia CF
some of you may be saying: “Who?”. For your information, they are a mediocre Spanish club.
In 2001, and 2002 they made the final of the UEFA Champion’s League (the best club level competition.) They lost the first final 3-0 to Real Madrid, and the Second one they lost to Bayern Munich in a penalty shoot-out.
a penalty kick is what seperated Valencia from being mentioned as a Club who has won the Champion’s league. they could have joined the other 21 teams. But alas, they did not, and now sit 4th in La Liga, and no Premiership team is ever affraid of drawing them in the CL.
IS it fair? no, but at the end of the day only one team’s name gets printed on the silverware. For everyone one of us who favors unwaivering integrity in sports, there are three others who favor results.
I know from experience because my brother bases all his judgements on results. and likes defensive footy. (barf). Ive spent many hours agruing with him that results are not everything.
Anyways, like i said. Barcelona have pride and Intergrity. We would ussually lose 5-6 sooner than we would win 1-0 or try for a draw. when we are up 5-0, we know that stepping off the brake is NOT the right thing to do.
My biggest fear this season is that there is a possibility of us not winning anything. Because then the word choke artist would be thrown around, and all those result-centric people would rant about Real Madrid’s Miracle come-back, and ManU’s “dominant” european campaing.
And while i cant say that i wouldnt be heartbroken and comepletly pissed if that happens, i do infinitely appreciate what Guardiola has created this season. He turned an arrogant talented but lazy team with ego issues, into a Jagurnaut. Confident but humble. Talented, but eager for success.
Anywho. up till now its been a joy to watch our boys prove that Beautiful Soccer can be successful, and its been great disscussing it with you folks. Heres to us winning the trebble and not having to defend our style of play!
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oops, that was supposed to read “stepping off the GAS”, not “stepping off the BREAK”.
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I really think the results matter more than the way we play. Looking into Ray’s comments, I think there is truth in that in a sense that trophies and medals are more tangible and objective than footballing styles and philosophies. Attractive football last in so far as people remember how they were. In a few years time, there will be other teams that will be considered more attractive. Also, I don’t think the opinion about attractive football will always be unanimous. Despite, this year’s Barca will obviously receive two thumbs up from majority of people, there will still be some that prefer defensively sound teams and appreciate the ability to quash all forms of attack. I guess what I’m really trying to say is attractive or the “right way” is more subject to different factors while trophies will be there as an “in your face” symbol that during a specific moment in time, that team was the best.
In the end, I really think winning is everything. I’d take a defensively winning team than an attractive but close-but-no-cigar teams. What I admire about Barca and other Spanish teams is that we play attractive football, but more importantly, we win with it.
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i wouldnt say winning is everything justin.
at the end of the day, there are two camps the “results define everything. Period” camp. and the “results define everything, but it sucks that it’s that way” camp, and i am definitely part of the latter.
The problem i have with defensive football is that soccer is about OUTSCORING your opponent, or SCORING MORE than your opponent. obviously attacking sides have that in mind. But with defensive teams, a 0-0 draw is always a likely result.
Defensive teams arnt on the field creating good footy, they are on the field preventing it.
IF anyone remembers the last World Cup, Italy won it playing absolutely craptastic soccer. No one on the team scored more than one goal!, and even more shockingly, they tied against the U.S.A., and ask any Australian footy fan, but the ref played a MAJOR role in them getting passed the Aussies.
I’d rather be forgotten than remembered for playing badly.
Playing negative football is like selling out. Yeah, the results are gonna come, but is the price worth it? are you going to feel pride about the work you are creating? Are you going to get up everyday and love what you do knowing that your cutting corners doing sometihng lamely.
The i’d rather be the guy that lives fast and dies young, that stories are told about, than the guy thats 80 years old with nothing interesting to say, or any pride in what he’s done.
Look at little whiney face Cronaldo. He is bored as hell in ManU. Sure they may play attacking against little teams, but they sure as hell park the bus against Barca, and other big teams. He can stay in ManU, keep winning titles, keep getting bags full of cash, but he wants to play footy at its highest level, and is looking Spain’s way for some excitement. (unfortuneately he thinks Madrid is the answer.)
And im not saying ManU plays too defensively, but when it comes down to the finals/semis of CL, or another important game, and the options are A) Keep defending your philosophy and go for the kill, or B) prevent gameplay, and slightly increase winning chances; believe me they are picking B.
Barcelona just happens to be a rightfuly prideful club. We wont whore out the front of our jersey to the highest bidder for a quick buck, and we wont dabble in defensive/negative/anti-football no matter how tempting the circumstance is.
i will leave you by this quote by MLK Jr.
“Cowardice asks the question – is it safe? Expediency asks the question – is it politic? Vanity asks the question – is it popular? But conscience asks the question – is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it BECAUSE it is right”
Guns blazin, ass kickin, no mercy soccer is not always going to easy, nor safe, nor popular (if the titles arnt comming), but its the Barcelona way, and it is the right thing to do.
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As the great Danny Blanchflower famously said – “The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It’s nothing of the kind. The game is about glory. It’s about doing things in style, with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom”
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I still disagree. I don’t think one can ever mention a “right” way of playing since it really all depends on perspective. Without a doubt, attractive football is highly entertaining especially from fans’ point of view but again, I reiterate, to play defensive football should not be considered wrong. I don’t know much history about Serie A but I think this is what the league is known for – tactically sound and defensive teams. Though it might not apply to all, I think the inclination is there. Some people enjoy seeing how compact and efficient their teams are (i.e. ALL GERMANY FANS LOL). Attractive football might get their attention but some really prefer this type of football.
The reason why I think winning is everything, despite how “anti-football” it may sound like, is the fact that it is a fact. You’re champions. Period. You can argue that Italy was boring and all but they won the World Cup and I remember seeing Cannavaro on the cover of Time magazine. They got tons of plaudit for that not because the of the way they played but because they’re holding that solid trophy that is a testament to their superiority over others. And this, unlike arguing about the attractiveness of certain teams, is non-negotiable.
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Cannavaro is a mediocre defender now, and was a mediocre defender then. He only won that because he wore the Captain’s armband. Italy lose the penalty shootout and I GUARANTEE YOU that Canna doesnt win shit. so basically Trezuguet’s missed penalty is what gave him the POTY award.
Like someone else mentioned, If John Terry doesnt miss that Penalty and Chelsea go through, Ronaldo would have been remembered that year for having missed a penalty in the shootout, and Maybe Xavi (Euro) or Messi (Olympics) win the POTY award.
No doubt that winning is the only way to be remembered. Up to now We have played beyond great. And i think what Isaiah is trying to say is that regardless of the next results, it should take anything away from our footy this term. Its odd to think that one game can validate 37 other ones, and change their worth. the same 37 games can be compiled into a comemorative DVD and admired, or they can be forgotten, depending on whether the title is won or not.
And not to be a snob about footy, but i cant tolerate people who perfer defensive football. Again, i feel like they are preventing rather than playing. Sports are athletic competitions where spectators pay (alot) to see athletes perform at the top level. I’d like to think most of them go out to see their team perform well, not to see their team prevent another team from peforming well.
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Jason, I understand your “offense all the way” call, you are a Barcelona Fan after all;) But while doing so, we need to stay aware of some basics:
- Valencia is not an example. Greatness is not something you get when you do some good results in one year or two. Red Star had a stunning season once, and won titles domestically and in Europe. If I mention the names of the players who played there, you will not believe that some people will still say “Red Star” Who? Some French teams had it for a while as well and so on (And even Mallorca). Deportivo?. Thats a successful season, not greatness.
- Football is Outscoring your opponent Is as valid nowadays as the 4-2-4 tactic that Brazil changed when they learned that football is to:
“score and not to get conceded” .
Or else, the Pyramid tactic would have been still a must apply till today (making the Barcelona 4-3-3 a defensive approach).
- Defense is also a good footy. It look less attractive because its healthy but not delicious. Considering Defense as negative is somehow poetic more than realistic. ALI played 90 % of a Boxing game just covering his face and sucking the opponent energy, then he finished the game, he is still great, right?
Barcelona play by pressuring the opponent in their own half, this is the way Barcelona prevent the other team from scoring while the other teams position themselves deeper to prevent the opponent from scoring. its just another style of defense.
- Will anyone argue that Man Utd is a great team? they are, because they have the perfect balance between when to attack and when to defend. They won more titles than any other team in modern years, and they are greater than any team in the 30 years, as much as its painful for me to admit it.
Barcelona played this way almost all the time, it was a pleasure for the fans when the team was winning, and they complained when the team was not. The same with any other team. Liverpool Fans, man Utd fans, chelsea… all enjoy their team performance and feel entertained when their team control the competition they are in, and they feel upset when it doesn’t happen. barcelona fans are in the same boat, not superior in any way. We enjoy it because it is working. I hope time doesn’t prove me right. Even the players, they are enjoying it, they can play it, they are a unit because it is working. When results decline everything collapse, even attractive style.
So while people argue whats important “Performance or result” I can say that performance will never be attractive if its not clinched with results. When results decline, players start to doubt, coaches start to get confused, Fans get upset then everyone start to point figures on everyone.
We are the best team in the world at the moment, attractive, productive and efficient. but we need to be humble enough not to think that “Its our way or the highway” or “we are right others are wrong”, “we are football, others are anti…” . all styles can be attractive when applied rightfully.
But it all start from the defensive/negative/anti-football link. anti-football is only when you instruct your players to tackle the opponent to death. negative football is when you play a tactic that doesn’t suit the qualities of your players, while defensive style is another football methodology, tactically it is as entertaining as offense when it is applied well. Liverpool against Chelsea in the CL second leg played with three DM (Mascherano, Lucas, and Xabi), now people think they played offense tactics because they scored lot of goals, but the tactic was more defensive in its Core than the usual Benetez tactic.
I remember once when Mourinho was still coaching chelsea. he was complaining again and again that all teams in the premier league park the bus when they play against Chelsea. Few weeks later, he played against barcelona and Parked a train.
Teams need to play the style that suits the quality of their players most. The most beautiful football to enjoy is the football where all the teams are strong. And can beat each other and cause surprises. Barcelona play offense the way they do because they cant play another way, even if they want. Chelsea, Liverpool, Milan, …. Can not play Barcelona way the same as barcelona cant play their way. The type of players each team has dictate the tactic to apply. And we cant complain when the opponent do not play the style that suit us, and that it make us suffer. because we are not playing the style that suits them as well.
Greece fans were extremely entertained when they won the euro, The other teams fans were not, but who care? Each team focus on satisfying their own fans. And is it fair to say Greece achieved nothing because they played defense? They had one of the most joyful period in the country modern history, people were dancing in the streets, and you can smell the pride even while watching on TV.
I hate it when people say “Greece title is a disgrace mark in Football history” as I read once! They played the way they want, you failed to beat them? its your problem, live with it!
Defense tactics and styles, compliment offense tactics and styles. And as i mentioned before:
the defense tactics are the only incentive for offense to develop
As long as the system works, you will not try to improve. You only do so when an opponent raise a new challenge for you “hey its not ganna work against me, dude!” and its then when you feel the need to improve. Personally i enjoy this Defense Vs offense battle to the extreme, that i dont even wish that all the teams to play a Barcelona style. Because thats when football development will freeze. And thats why Defensive tactics as systematic approach that Sterilize tactical defects in football are by no way Anti-football.
By saying so, I Do Not mean I prefer Barcelona to be defensive (even though they still can improve the system a bit), but I cant say “Liverpool, Juventus, Milan, Inter, man utd… Shame on you! we are the only greats” simply because, its not true.
And Greece were Great in the euros, with humble resources they created a team that fulfilled the dream of their nation. A dream that every nation with low football profile dream to achieve, but only this country really did it!
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Ooops, indeed.
Slight OT tangent: The Brit press have been running stories of how Michael Mancienne will play left back at the Camp Nou and was played at that sport during a Chelsea Reserves game against West Brom reserves as a sort of scrimmage. They also quote Mancienne talking about how he would look forward to the challenge of marking Messi. Playing the role of Messi for West Brom was journeyman Juan Carlos Menseguez who has all of 2 substitute appearances with West Brom’s first team. Of course, guess who scored West Brom’s two goals?
…..I think we’ll see our old friend Beletti or Ivanovic the Serbian Cafu (at least according to Chelsea fans). Mancienne…errr…Hiddink is a lot of things but stupid is not one.
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I completely support Isaiah’s view.
Someone mentioned FIFA World Player of the Year award, this award is definitely judged according to the titles a player has won. And if there was a World Cup in that year, the winner will most-likely be from the current World Champion (I still can’t believe that Cannavaro won it in 2006 despite the manipulation scandal in Italy where he played half the year – he was never the best player, and neither the most succesful because of the affair. He played a great World Cup which lasted 4 weeks – not to mention that Zizou played better – and that made him the best player of the year???).
For me, the best team and the best player is not necessarily the most succesful.
Now to a different topic, did you know that in La Liga 91/92 and 92/93 we were 1 point behind RM just before the very last playday… but then, CD Tenerife(!) beat RM in both years and Barca was Champion?
That’s crazy, if I followed Barca back then I would still be praising Tenerife.
Segunda Division still has 10 playdays to go, but at the moment Tenerife is placed 2nd! So next season RM might have another bogey team to fail against
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I think I should point out that I’m not saying that there is a right or wrong way to create great/beautiful/wonderful soccer. I’m merely saying that greatness is not defined solely by titles. I hate when people say “Oh, well, Player X would be the greatest of all time, except he’s never won a championship.”
And, another thing, individual awards (MVP, POTY, etc) are bullshit. MVP awards and all of the “debate” involved is stupid. As has been pointed out several times in the comments, if someone else’s failure brings you glory, what is your glory? John Terry misses a penalty and Cronaldo is Player of the Year? Blah, nonsense. I don’t care if it’s Cronaldo or Canna or even Messi, it doesn’t matter. I don’t care about MVP or Balon D’Or or any of that. Unless I win it. Then I’ll care.
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http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2009/04/etoo-will-stay-next-season.html
Interesting story, a 3 year renewal sounds pretty good. Not sure about giving him a large pay raise though. He gets paid quite a lot as it is. Maybe give him the same as Henry. He scores a lot more so I dont see why he should be paid any less. I think at the moment Henry is paid almost as much as Messi with Eto’o getting a little less. I might be mistaken though.
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There’s some fun stuff going on with Sport, who are reporting a 3-year deal with Eto’o, and a deal with Ribery, who has already informed Bayern that he wants to come over, and all that awaits is a deal between the two clubs.
I’ll believe both when they happen.
Funnier is this piece, http://fcbtransfers.blogspot.com/2009/04/barcelona-are-overrated.html from the Times (of London) which suggests that Barca is overrated, that we’ve only beaten suck opposition and that Chelsea will knock us out.
What was funniest of all was the comment that if you starve Eto’o and Henry of possession you can win, because they don’t track back for the ball. Clearly, that commentator hasn’t watched the side this season at all, right? Or maybe he thought that dude making tackles and applying midfield pressure was 24 instead of 14.
Hmmm….
Oh, and this has been an excellent thread, with many thought-provoking comments. It reminds me once again why we’re the best in Barca blogland. Thanks to all.
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Didn’t we see Eto’o at LB once? I clearly remember that. I also remember seeing a lot of people complain about him going back and defending instead of causing a ruckus up front. And he did a decent job at it.
Henry definitely knows how to go back and defend. He helped out Sylvinho and Puyol a lot during Abidal’s injury.
And this is what I was talking about a while ago. It doesn’t matter who Barca defeats and it doesn’t matter by how much. The EPL is king now and whenever Barca beats an English team, there was a good reason why! The entire English team caught malaria just before the game. Of course. Or they had a stomach flu. Definitely. But Barca can never win against a full-strength English team.
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Sorry, I dropped another post above you, OhYes.
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OhYEs…..u got it spot on there my friend. The English will always find an excuse. If we beat Chelsea, and it will be tough, the excuse will be…”OH, chelsea were missing Cole and Carvalho first leg. They never would have got beat if they had them”. Last time we beat them it was exactly the same….”Messi dives, they cheat, they could never beat us with 11 mean”….Blah Blah Blah. Its the same with their national team, always excuses. “Rooney wasnt playing” or “Walcott was injured”. I swear it never ends. We could beat all of their teams back to back and I guarantee that there would still be idiotic writers out there who would make excuses. Its the same delusional sense of grandeur that makes them believe they are the “best league in the world”.
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Isaiah-
You make a fine point about the futility of attention on individuals. In football, devastating success always issues from mind-meld.Posted from
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