

Barca 0-Espanyol 0, a.k.a. “Making Kameni look good”
By: Kevin | April 19th, 2008Let’s just give him a pedicure, a nap and a bottle while we’re at it. Repeat after me:
If you shoot the damned ball where the keeper is, he’s probably going to make the save.
Make sense? Feel better now? Good.
Now. This match had the stink of a 0-0 just oozing from its pores. It was clear that Espanyol had zero interest in scoring a goal, or doing anything except keeping what they came in with. Shameful, but that’s what makes this beautiful game ugly sometimes.
And truth to tell, why should they come out to play with us? What’s in it for them except an ass-whipping? It got really bleak at about the hour mark, when it looked like the whole damned Espanyol side was on the pitch and in the box. Disgusting for us, but I reckon they’re proud. Or maybe not. Who gives a damn, really, because we should have put that match away.
Chance after chance after chance, and only once did Kameni have to do anything except stick a hand or arm out. Even then, all he had to do was fall to the turf to cover the ball. Bend it, make an extra pass, go high, do something except hit a hard, flat shot right at the keeper. It doesn’t take genius to stop those.
I knew it was going to be a draw when I saw Rijkaard’s “white flag” lineup of Valdes, Milito, Puyol, Sylvinho, Zambrotta, Yaya, Xavi, Gudjohnsen, Dos Santos, Eto’o and Krkic. Why? Where are the goals going to come from? Eto’o? Not without service, and where is that going to come from? That isn’t the game of Dos Santos or Krkic, really, which forces Eto’o to resort to parlor tricks. So. Lotta dancing the mambo in the box with the ball, few real scoring chances.
Why is Gudjohnsen’s name in bold-face? Because I couldn’t find a jpeg of a pile of shit to upload. But stay tuned for an edit. Absolute pustulence. He probably got in his car after the match and dropped the damn keys down the manhole cover. Just as I was about to say there might not be a reason to hope that he’s on the same bus out of town as “Santi Claus,” he has to make a liar out of me.
But wait a minute….there is LOTS of good news from this game.
Happy bench. Did you all see that bench shot, with the lads talking among themselves, and smiling? When was the last time you saw that?
Messi is back, on full-bore, mega-watt mojo. The difference he made in that game was unreal. But once Espanyol saw that we were going to cock up any real scoring chance he created, they just put three men on him and let the other guys screw up.
The movement is back. The passing and running off the ball were slick.
Yaya is spectacular. Those white shoes were everywhere today. He was a little gimpy in the first half, and I got a little scared. But what an extraordinary match. He gummed up the middle of the pitch all by himself. If we are to beat Man U, he has to be man-sized.
Valdes is getting it. Our high-waisted keeper finally figured out that we can pass, and stopped kicking the ball up the pitch, which is as good as conceding possession. Instead he rolled it out to a defender, who started the attack.
Milito’s on the comeback. He’s playing into being himself again which is good, because with no Puyol, we’re going to need him so much on Wednesday.
So. Yes there was a draw, which will all but mathematically do in the Liga chances for all but the most wild-eyed optimists. Even if the Evil Empire loses tomorrow, it’s still a 7-point gap with 5 matches to play (or something like that….told you all I hate math). Yes, it could happen, but the EE would have to collapse, essentially, and they aren’t going to face any teams that can really take advantage of that, except for us.
But all of these harbingers of good augur well for Wednesday, because we won’t be putzing around with Gudjohnsen or Dos Santos in the starting XI. We’ll have the real folks in there and frankly, I would give Henry the start in the middle, flanked by Krkic and Messi. But we’ll see.
So, we couldn’t finish today. Unfortunate, but Henry scores any number of those goals that Eto’o screws up. Why? Henry is a stylist with his finishes. His calculator is a little quicker than Eto’o in that he knows when to lift, loop or bend a ball. He also has the pace to create a bit more time and space to measure his shot. But he wasn’t in there. And now, player ratings:
Valdes: 4. He didn’t really do enough to get a rating. Just catch and toss.
Milito: 6. Strong play, and he kept the hatchet in his pocket, admittedly helped by Espanyol’s lack of interest in discovering the other end of the pitch.
Puyol: 8. Wow. What a match from the captain, who didn’t back out of any challenges, body be damned. Note that his two-legged challenge came minutes after Xavi backed out of one, yielding the ball to the Espanyol player. Man-sized match.
Sylvinho: 4. Some fine, fine service mixed with bouts of invisibility.
Yaya: 8. The man, the presence, the magic. That remarkable pick-pocket steal in midfield was awe-inspiring. The player didn’t even realize he didn’t have the ball for a second. He’s going to get even better? Unreal.
Zambrotta: 3. Lotta running, little result. Very solid, but we need more than solid on the wing.
Xavi: 5. Solid, solid match, even tracking back on defense. And he’s schooling on the pitch, making sure Dos Santos knew that he should have called for that header, and scored in the first half. That’s veteran mojo and a sign of some spine.
Gudjohnsen: 1. The one is just for showing up. He was terrible today. Bad passes, slow or no runs, just crap.
Eto’o: 5. Love the man, hate the parlor tricks. He should work on shooting with folks who know better, such as Henry and Deco or even Ronaldinho, if he’s still allowed near the pitch during practice. That man is a bit of guile away from being unstoppable.
Dos Santos: 2. Remember those recent matches in which he was playing so well? They were a dream. Never happened. This clunky, in-the-way kid is the Dos Santos we all remember. Welcome back.
Krkic: 7. All talent, industry and energy today. He is really, really going to be something. Our future, with he and Messi on the front line, looks bright. Imagine how it will be once those two learn to play together.
Subs:
Messi: 7. Hard for him to do wrong. He stood that match on his ear with those runs of his. He still wants to take on too much. Sometimes it’s like he only thinks of passing when he can’t run forward any longer. But he’s still learning the game, too. He’ll get better and better.
Iniesta: 7. Does it really get any better than being able to bring those two players off the bench? And I repeat: If the third sub was Henry, we win that match.
Marquez: 4. Didn’t dazzle, didn’t screw up. Just nice and solid. He’s moving really well, too, which is good to see.
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i’m sorry but i’d take eidur over thierry anyday at the minute! for some reason barca are missing their killer instinct - not sure its gonna return for man utd!
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Hi. First post here although i’ve enjoyed all the comments. Although not a supporter as such I watch Barcelona every week and have done for years and feel I’d like to add my thoughts (such as they are !).
Simply put they no longer carry the fear factor with them. Although they can still play the best passing game in world football (and they’ll have to come close to 65% possession against Man Utd to have a chance) they aren’t unlocking defences. Why not? I don’t believe its the reason rehearsed earler in the season about taking too long to get the ball forward. That’s never been Barcelona’s way. At their peak they played their way through defences and that’s not happening. Why not? Most would agree its down to the “demise” of Ronaldinho. While he’s not been the player of two/ three seasons ago he’s the key. Messi from now on is going to suffer the double and even triple marking that R10 has for seasons and he’ll find it hard. Messi has blistering pace to offer but he doesn’t have either Ronnie’s unbelievable talent or vision. Last season Ronnie carried Barcelona on his shoulders while both Messi and Eto’o were missing for long spells. despite it not being his best season the goals were flowing.
The point of this over long post? Ronaldinho is no saint. I’ve read despairingly about his partying, lack of training etc. If true, he’ll wake up one day and regret it as he won’t have the lasting legacy he could have. However, from Barcelona’s point of view they have not handled him well. Genius never comes without its porblems. Last year they wouldn’t sub him even if he needed/deserved it. This season he has been the fall guy for everything. If he was the problem holding up the play, Barcelona would now be cruising to the title as he has hardly played. Instead they are stumbling along without a clue in front of goal and with everyone feeling they have a chance against them. more than likely Man Utd will cuff them over 2 legs. If Barca had persevered with Ronaldinho, valued him and played him no matter what, especially this year as he came back - I’m thinking round about the Celtic games where we saw glimpses of his talent and of him running at people - then we’d be looking at a much better situation. At least Messi would have a little more freedom with the opposition worrying about R10. If that sounds a little lenient think back to how Matt Busby cajoled Best along from a pretty early age and got longer out of him, Terry Venables got more out of Gazza by understanding him and Argentina stuck by Maradonna. R10 is only 28.
Love the team but I just feel we didn’t have to be in this position. As you are watching the Man Utd game with Barcelona chasing it in the dying minutes would you really not want Ronaldinho on the pitch, no matter what?
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Good thoughts, Jim, and welcome.
I believe the problems this season aren’t as attributable to Ronaldinho as they are to the side’s overall play, coupled with age and injury. It’s like a radio that is near the station, but not quite on it. You hear the music, but there’s also a lot of static.
Things are just a little off, so the lads are hitting the post, firing high or wide. Nor did we have the defensive lapses we’ve been having this season. If the guys don’t go on walkabout, there are four draws that are wins just in the last six matches, never mind over the course of the season. We’re on course for the Liga, and all is well.
I don’t know that we had the fear factor, even in the year of the double. But we did have the inevitability factor: You just knew that the ball was going into the back of the net somehow. That was the value of Ronaldinho in the mix. That amazing shimmy/snap shot goal he scored against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge was staggering. That inevitability, that “How will they score today” is what’s missing this season.
We have great strikers, but they aren’t getting it done. The year of the double, we had tactical versatility. The attack could come up the wing or the middle, long pass or short, clinical passes. That just isn’t true this season.
You’re right. If Messi isn’t running at three defenders, nobody else is really attacking. Yesterday Messi and Eto’o worked a beautiful play. If Krkic attacks the post, there’s an outlet and a sure goal. He stood there watching. Recall the seeming jailbreaks into the other side’s box that used to characterize our play. Messi, Ronaldinho, Iniesta, Eto’o were all in there, with Deco ready to pounce off something long.
This season, we’re trying to pass the ball into the net. Espanyol showed yesterday why that strategy isn’t the way to long-term happiness.
Now, the Ronaldinho question. Management knew he was a party boy when they brought him in. No doubt about that. And when he was brilliant, he was brilliant. But R10 also benefitted from Messi, Eto’o and Deco (a bigger missing piece than Ronaldinho, in my opinion). There were so many scoring options. Now, there’s really only one: someone dancing into the box and doing something.
I would suggest that Ronaldinho has culpability in “L’Affaire R10.” Nobody knows really what went on behind the scenes except for the people involved, but if he shows up in shape and demonstrates the committment to the side, as he did in the previous two seasons, no problem. But whatever was going on, he didn’t, you’re right. And Barca has a very large ego, ’tis true, in that there’s the belief that anyone playing for us should be thrilled that they are. Maybe that’s some of what went bad: Two entities both thinking that the other should be thrilled by the other’s presence.
I’d be a lot more confident about the Man U tie if Deco had full match fitness, and was playing as he can. If I’m watching us chase the match in the dying minutes, you’re right. I’d love to have a healthy, committed Ronaldinho on the pitch. This season’s R10, aside from flashes, has been an impostor.
I’ve been trying to figure out what made us become so different. The side that crushed Inter in the Gamper match didn’t look as if was going to lose a match. Ever. I still can’t quite get my mind around it, but injuries to all the wrong players and simple aging keep sticking.
Finally, our dependence on Messi isn’t healthy. He’s brilliant, but one-dimensional, which is a big difference from R10. I think he’ll add tools to his bag, but we shouldn’t need Messi to energize the match the way he did yesterday. He should be extra fuel for a fire, not the match to start it.
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Getting out of the subject a little, pls check out how many yellow and red cards have been given on the 19/4 in the Spanish league. (Check out livescore.com)
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Jim and Kxevin…I totally disagree with your comparison of Messi to R 10. Ok, so R10 is a great footballer and all but there is no way you can compare him to the messiah; not on any level. Even when Ronaldino was on his prime, he is no match and it was best demonstrated with his team mates in Brazil. The reason that Roniie seemed to carry Barcelona the last couple years were because the whole team played well and not Ronnie alone. This year the only person who is playin is messi. That is the difference!
His vision is way greater than Ronnie’s. Another pointer would be that it seems that Ronnie has a great vision but you seem to forget that the reason he does is because messi makes it possible and wide open so he can receive a long range pass.
Also, don’t forget that 2 yrs back to back playin the same football style is enough for your opponents to get your tactics and moves down and block you efficiently. Therefore, it is not fair to give the credit to Ronnie only, but to the lack of knowledge other teams had of Rikkard’s tactics in the last couple yrs.
All that said, especially after the magnificent display mess put on the show last nite showed that it is unfair to compare him to any player at the moment. He is even better that Maradona in some plays; and to say this at such a young age is impossible in real physics laws but he earned it for god’s sake.Posted from
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Riad, note that I said the reason Ronaldinho was going so well was because everyone else (particularly Messi) was as well. It made his life easier. And note that I typed “If Messi isn’t running at three defenders, nobody else is attacking.” We had a healthy Messi, a committed Ronaldinho, an on-form Deco and Eto’o, with Xavi and Iniesta to boot. Pretty hard to stop.
We agree on Messi and Ronaldinho, but I think few would agree (some probably will) that Deco is a bigger miss for us than Ronaldinho.
Messi, however, is a work in development. He needs to learn vision, and the power of the pass when that isn’t his only option. That will come. Without question, he is one of the greatest players in the world, and will improve further. Having our future in the hands of he and Krkic warms my Blaugrana heart.
But Messi can’t beat three defenders standing in the box waiting for him. No player can. That’s where he needs teammates who are present and willing to work the mojo. And the lads all need to have confidence in each other. Further, we are headless, which limits our attacking options. We score goals with the feet, so teams will give us corner kicks to stop a run all day and all night.
Eto’o and Messi dribble a bit too far, far too often, in part because of an extreme confidence in their own abilities; but also because I’m not sure how comfortable they are with the abilities of their teammates. That’s part of the injury bug, and part of the snakebitten nature of this season.
We’ll see on Wednesday.
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Oh. And we’re in third place now, dammit.
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Things just keep getting worse. Anything less than a win against ManU Wedensday will be hard to overcome.
As for the comparison between Ronnie and Messi; Ronnie was a way better distributor of the ball than Messi. Messi’s job is finishing. It would help if Messi could have better vision, but he needs to focus on putting the ball in the net more.
Ronnie’s Barca days are over. Ive had enough of Ronnie talk. We have to look forward at next season.
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Bar the fact that Deco was by far and away the best midfielder in the world at the time, we also had a far more intelligent bench than we do now. Larsson still hasn’t been replaced. Bojan has the ability but Larsson was always in the right place.
Plus Belletti and Gio were much better going forward than Zambrotta and Abidal. It’s a pity that we let Gio go. Belletti also should have been replaced.
I am not going to say anything bad about Giovani. I like the kid and he needs time. If we were winning week-in week-out then it would be easier to show flashes of brilliance but we are awaiting disaster every match. We do not expect to score and are anxious until we do. Then when we do score we are expecting to concede. Its not goodPosted from
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The commentators kind off summed up barca’s style of play. He said ‘Barca try to get into the 6 yard box and score’ Our game is gettin to predictable.
I hardly see a good cross coming in from the flanks, and even if someone does give a good cross, there is no one to shove the ball in.
I think as Barca fans, we all love to see the 1-2 passes near the opponents goal, but at times, we have to change the way we play.
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A bit off topic, but here’s a comment on one of Goal’s article I found interesting. Hopefully it’s not gonna turn out like this.
“After 2001/02 season, the last time Real Madrid(RM) won the title, the teams who beat Real Madrid lost to the eventual CL winners. Lets look at the stats, 2002/03 - Juventus beat RM in the semi finals but lost to Milan (champions) 2003/04 - Monaco beat RM in Q/F but lost to Porto (champions) 2004/05 - Juventus beat RM in First KO but lost to Liverpool (champions) 2005/06 - Arsenal beat RM in First KO but lost to Barcelona (champions) 2006/07 - Bayern beat RM in First KO but lost to Milan (champions) This season, Roma beat RM in Q/F but lost to Man Utd in S/F. The stats say, Man Utd will be the champions. This jinx can only be broken after RM wins the CL again. So, odds are heavily in favor of Man Utd. to win the CL. Cheers!!”Posted from
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Right you are, JC and Ciaran. I was watching some highlights on some of my home-brewed DVDs and now I REALLY miss Deco. Man, he was spectacular. And I had indeed forgotten about Larsson, all energy and goal poaching, with a really good long shot. The two players I am most sorry to have seen go last season were Van Bronckhorst and Giuly. Both would have been invaluable this season, but how does one know, unless it happens?
Bummer.
And you comments about crosses speak to my assertion that we are headless. Everyone wants to play the ball at their feet. When Eto’o scored off that header last matchday, I about fell off the sofa.
Yes, Ciaran, I think I’m being too hard on Dos Santos. I sometimes forget that he’s a kid. I’ll be kinder and gentler. I just hope that his ginormous potential can be harnessed for good. On paper, he’s a Messidinho, as capable of the killer pass as the great run into the box. He has a very good shot, too, that he can get off quickly.
So we’ll see.
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Hey, if Chelsea does the expected summer offloading of talent, what do we think of left-winger Florent Malouda, if we can get him cheap? He’s floudered in the Premiership, but would be better in a less NFL-like league, I think.
Gobs of pace, can also play striker if needed.
Yeah, I know who’s playing left wing now. Malouda would, though not perfect, be an upgrade. He also works very well with Henry.
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Funny Kevin, I was thinking the same about Malouda. He joined cause of Drogba and Mourinho, why stay? He isn’t being played to his strengths and doesn’t look like he enjoys playing for Grant. Abidal and him were awesome down the flank for Lyon.
I wouldn’t pay the amount that Chelsea did last summer but Chelsea normally lose a fortune on the transfer market. Veron, Mutu, Crespo etc. It would be nice a have a genuine winger in the team like Ludo the past few seasons. Might be good for Giovani to learn how to play on the left as well.
Our wing play is very average at times. I do hope that Dani Alves arrives. He has crossing ability as good as anyone over the last decade (with the debatable exception of a certain Mr Beckham).
It would be nice also if Eto’o had as much faith in those around him that he did 2 seasons ago when he barely left the box. Now he comes deep trying to create the chances. (He’s like Nelson as quarterback in the Simpsons - whefe he threw the ball forward and then ran after it to catch and score himself).Posted from
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Kxevin could you please explain how Messi is a one-dimensional player? I’m having a hard time getting my little brain around that one. One-dimensional in his creativity…speed…passing…insight…energy…or is it his abiltiy to move into the box with the ball tethered to his feet? Or rather is he one-dimensional because currently he’s the only attacking blaugrana with any dimension at all? I’m gonna guess that that’s where you were going with the comment because you finish it up with, “He should be extra fuel for a fire, not the match to start it.” What a beautiful statement and I couldn’t agree more!
I happen to believe he is quite three-dimensional, in fact I’d say he’s more like four-dimensional. Not only does he have all the dimensions of the real world; height, width, and depth, he also brings that oh-so elusive element of inspiration to the pitch. You know…the spark, the match, the igniter…but I hoping he’s more like an incinerator on the pitch against Man U! Oh, and by the way, R10 currently has a dimensional factor of zero for us, so why even have this conversation. Wednesday is all that matters to me and probably everyone reading this, so I’ll get some sleep and patiently await the biggest review of the season!!!
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I’ve let this discussion on Messi and Ronnie go for as long as I can stand it. I have to say something, I have to weigh in!
Messi and Ronaldinho are similar in that they are soccer players.
They are different in that they play different positions with different requirements. Sure, they both play in the midfield, but so does Yaya, so does Iniesta, so does Xavi. Yet they obviously fill different roles, so no one bothers with a comparison.
Ronaldinho plays the left side and has always been more of a supporter than a true attacker. Sure, he shoots, but almost never from inside the box (except on random headers and glorious chilenas). His passing is what has always set him apart from other players and I believe it to be the best I’ve ever seen.
Messi plays on the right side and has always been more of an attacker than a supporter. His on-the-ball skill is absurd and his ability to see tackles coming and avoid them is, currently, second to none. He passes well (extremely well), but it is not the basis for his playing. He is, as I said, not a creator, but rather a finisher in a winger’s body.
Ronaldinho is not Messi is not Ronaldinho. Simply put, to compare them is to compare Jerry Rice and Steve Young, Pippen and Jordan, vegetarianism and veganism. They’re in the same ballpark, even play on the same team, but aren’t truly comparable.
Messi’s play is opened up by Ronaldinho’s presence and vice versa. For whatever reason, the upper tier of Barcelona’s management can’t seem to understand the two are not similar, but that they are complimentary.
Fair enough to ask your superstars to be superstars, but it’s another thing altogether to try to fit them into molds. Gio is neither. Yaya is not Makelele, Messi is not Mardona, Kevin is no Isaiah.
You like that dig, Kevin? Yeah you did.
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What I mean, Jenny, is that Messi makes runs at the defense. That’s his game, and he’s easy to stop once teams know what to do, which is confront him with a trio of defenders. These days, he passes when he has no other option.
What I would like to see Messi develop is the ability to draw and dish. He does it occasionally. But that’s what Ronaldinho had. No, they aren’t the same player, but skills such as those are timeless and invaluable. But sometimes his runs seem to get so good to him that he forgets he has teammates until he needs someone to bail him out.
Sorry, but that’s true. I know it’s blasphemy, and I’m probably going to hell for saying it.
As Isaiah said, he has otherworldly skills on the ball, and his ability to avoid tackles is amazing. But if you look at his history, he has yet to develop the knack for the killer pass. I believe he will, because the great players never stop trying to improve. When he does, he will go down in history as the greatest footballer EVER.
Think about Messi, charging up the wing, faking defenders out of their jocks and suddenly, stopping and lacing a perfect, lofted pass to a net-charging Eto’o. That’s what Ronaldinho used to do so well. Then, the next time Messi makes the run, the defenders have to play him soft, because they don’t know if he’s going to continue the run, or make the pass. And they have to shade a guy to cover the attacker making the run, which frees up Messi even more.
Right now they play him to continue the run, and they’re never wrong.
That’s what I mean by him being one-dimensional. Yes, he has lots of skills. T’is true. But his bag of tricks is only beginning to develop, and I’m looking forward to that glorious day.
Further complicating matters is our excessive dependence on him. That makes him press even more, and when you press, you tend to do what you do best, which is run at the defense and try to squiggle through a crack. As Isaiah said, that’s where that Ronaldinho-style player comes in. That’s why Deco is such a big miss, and why when Iniesta is on and pushing up the field, it makes Messi so much more dangerous.
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Right. Don’t mean to poke fun, but here’s Rijkaard again, oblivious while important things happen. Reports are that his house was burgled while he was in another room with his family. The thieves got some jewelry, watches and a big ol’ pigpile of cash.
Bummer, and thankfully nobody was hurt.
Which makes it okay to poke fun at.

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“big ol pile of cash”
They’re called banks, Frankie.
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Apparently neither Kevin nor I busted out a preview. How about that for planning for the biggest match of the year?
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sort your problems out and stuff the Mancs tomorrow .. please & thank you!
YNWA
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Kxevin…First off, allow me to say that it is hard to type your name down. On the Messi-Ronnie matter, please know that I totally support Jenny on it. I think all your cooments arise from your love to Ronnie rather from field statistics. That being said, I refer to the fact of Ronnie looking to the right meanwhilke he is making a pass to the left. I believe that as his only remaining skill left. Sometime, we fall in love with such a celebrity that it doesn’t matter who is coming along; no one seems to fit the task of filling their shoes; at least in their fans opinions. Thus, that’s why they call them fansd afterall.
Now, let’s be realistic and acknowledge the huge difference margin of these 2 players. Ronnie is a winger on the left and a passer to messi all the way on the right; and this is his limit at least for now. On the other hand; messi is a right wing passer, a right wing attacker, a must 3 defenders on him all the time winger, a perfect 1-2 passer, a creator of killer chances and a perfect dribbler.
Soory Kxevin, but I’d rather say that Ronnie fits in the one dimensioal player category with extra spices of moves and messi fits in a no dimension category.
All I have to say at the end is: If not for messi playin tonite, I know we have no chance, but with him on the pitch; the game is ours. No way that Ronnie ever can or could have supported such a statement.Posted from
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First off, I know that I blaspheme by saying that Messi doesn’t fart rosewater, but let’s be clear about this:
I have never said that Ronaldinho was better than, or preferable to Messi. You might be reading Jim’s comment, just before mine, and projecting. But Jim didn’t really say that he preferred Ronaldinho, either. Preferably, it’s a both.
Further, know that all of the attributes you ladle onto Messi could have also been ladled onto Ronaldinho during his three very good years for us. But again, this isn’t a Messi vs. Ronaldinho thing. Jim asked if we were chasing the game late in the match, wouldn’t I want Ronaldinho on the pitch? I replied that I would love to have a healthy, fully committed Ronaldinho on the pitch. Who wouldn’t? That doesn’t mean Ronaldinho instead of Messi, it means both, which ain’t gonna happen.
But never, ever have I, or would I ever say that Ronaldinho is better than, or preferable to Messi. We’ve seen Ronaldinho in his prime. We haven’t seen Messi in his prime yet. So please re-read what I have written, and that will be clear, as are my assuredly unpopular views on Messi’s one-dimensionality.
As for a love of Ronaldinho, I was saying “He’s done, sell him” before anyone else in this space, I think. It’s even more true now. I am a fan of Barcelona football, whoever is wearing the shirt. If a player is being an impediment to this side being the absolute best that it can be, I want him gone like last week’s fish. Hence the unrelenting bile that I have been heaping on R10 this season, even as others have defended him.
Hope that’s all clear now.
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Oops. didn’t mean to start such a heated debate
A couple of thoughts. First of all, as Kxevin rightly says I was wasn’t attempting to detract from Messi’s skills at all. I love watching him, he’s a great player, I’m sure he’ll improve but he won’t, in my opinion, ever offer the same vision as Ronaldinho has. The best times were when both were operating with confidence. The point i was really trying to make is that without R10 carrying a huge threat in terms of creative play Messi will find it harder to operate. No matter how good a dribbler you are you can’t continually go past three defenders, especially when you are as one footed as Messi is. Barcelona badly need someone else to carry some threat up front.
Secondly, my turn to get some flack. I won’t say anything negative about the two youngsters because as someone says they need to mature but they aren’t the answer right now.
Finally, like others I’d forgotten what Deco offered the team but saw some flashes of it against Man Utd. The sad thing is i never really felt confident that Barca, even with all their possession were going to have the guile to break them down.
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There I go stirring the pot! Sorry! Please understand that my last post had no comparisons of Ronnie and Messi’s skills , only the dimension they bring to the pitch at present. Ronnie has exemplified what pure joy, style, innovation can bring to the game, but for whatever debatable reason he has misplaced these elements in his game. He’s simply not a factor for us right now. No, let me change that to say his not a “game-winning” factor, for he certainly is a factor, be it positive or negative.
Of course, Kxevin has to stir the pot a little more with the Messi blasphemy, but that’s okay. We can certainly agree to disagree. I happen to think Messi is more than one-dimensional, that’s all. Although I’d concede to Kxevin’s point on passing from Messi, wouldn’t it be beautiful to see some spot-on crosses to keep ‘em guessing. Even without such passes, Messi still brings the element of inspiration to the team and Kxevin, that single invisible dimension is worth more than the blasphemous “one-dimension” crack, don’t you think? If my computer would let me make a little smiley face it would go right here.
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