

State of the Liga: the First “Half”
By: Isaiah | December 29th, 2008
So here we are, at the winter break, waiting breathlessly, I’m sure, for the transfer window to open (so that Barça can buy no one and Real Madrid can purchase more injured players). Might as well review the first “half” of the season. Really it’s the first 42% since it’s not until January 18 that we complete the 19th match of the season against Deportivo La Coruña.
I’m going to focus on Barcelona at first, before handling the rest of the league, because there are good pre-Christmas campaigns and there are great pre-Christmas campaigns. Marca, of all places, pointed out that Barcelona has equaled the best ever record in the league for the first 16 games, having earned 41 of 48 possible points (13W-2D-1L). Apparently this equals a Real Madrid team from 60-61 if points had been allotted in the same way (Marca goes to some great length to put the words “just like Real Madrid” into their article about 50 times). Regardless, it’s the best start in the history of our club, which is just fantastic.
Stats breakdown time:
Overrall
13W-2D-1L 41pts (48GF, 10GA)
2.56pts per game, 3GF per game, 0.63GA per game
Home
6W-2D-0L 20pts (28GF, 5GA)
2.50pts per game, 3.50GF per game, 0.63GA per game
Away
7W-0D-1L 21pts (20GF, 5GA)
2.63pts per game, 2.50GF per game, 0.63GA per game
I won’t lie and say those stats aren’t mind-bogglingly wonderful. We’re the best team in Europe, maybe even the universe, unless there some sort of soccer-playing version of the Matt Groening Harlem Globetrotters that I don’t know about.
FCB is 10 points clear of second-place Sevilla, 11 points clear of Atletico Madrid and Valencia, and 12 points clear of Real Madrid and Villarreal, who round out the teams in the European spots. Here are the top 7, in fun Excel table form.

I’ve included Depor because they are only 2 points back of a UEFA spot (Valladolid lies 4 points behind them with 23) and because I think that Depor has quietly gone about being a solid team. They started the year out with a win at home against Real Madrid (2-1) and then a tight 1-0 loss at the Madrigal.
As I write this, Liverpool is top of the EPL with 42pts in 19 games. Chelsea is second with 38pts. Liverpool earned 2.21pts per game to Chelsea’s 2.16. Inter Milan, fresh off their win over Siena, is sitting pretty at the top of Serie A with 41 points from 17 games (2.41pts per game), six points on chasers Jueventus. In Germany, Hoffenheim and Bayern Munich are tied at the top with 35pts from 17 games (2.06pts per game). In France, Lyon has a 3-point margin over second place with 38pts from 19 games (2pts per game).
Extrapolating what has happened so far in the Spanish league to 19 games played, the stats would look approximately like this (with some rounding up and some down):
Barça: 49pts
Sevilla: 37pts
Atleti and Valencia: 36pts
Real Madrid and Villarreal: 34pts
Depor: 32pts
That would put Barça first in a theoretical European-wide table (and don’t tell me that it’s all relative competition because I’m not examining that right now, merely point totals — not only that, but I’m not considering that several of the teams listed above play each other in the coming weeks or would have to play each other and thus would reduce points available). It puts the other Spanish teams roughly in the middle of the pack in terms of upper crust teams (European place teams).
After January 18, when everyone has played everyone else, we’ll know better who is the true “winter champion,” but that title, as always, means absolutely nothing without the remaining 19 games tacked on. Barça are the clear favorites to take the crown, of course, being on pace to get 97 or 98 points (97.375 to be exact — round that either way you’d like), with 114 goals scored and 24 goals allowed. Um. A +90GD? Holy. Shit. Well that’s the pace we’re on, so despite the fact that that’s not going to happen (it’s not; don’t fool yourself into thinking it will — for one there are trips to Valencia, Real Madrid, and Atletico ahead), let’s assume the top 6 are in the Europe to stay (Depor is a pretender, I think, based on their goals scored and goals allowed numbers, but they are right there, so you never know).
The middle of the pack, now, is interesting because, in a sense, it’s not the least bit interesting. It’s what it usually is by this time: teams good enough not to go down, but not good enough to make it to the European spots. Starting with Valladolid, spots 8 through 14 are probably all in that category, though Racing Santander may be pushing their luck by the end of the season. Real Betis, sitting in 13th, also may not be faring so well by the end, but I think they’ll be a bit higher up based on what I’ve seen of them.
Valladolid was on a tear before losing in a ridiculous comeback from Numancia that suggest some sort of absurd weakness on Valladolid’s part…except that Numancia are the only team to have beaten Barcelona and they did it in Los Pajaritos, which is where they did it to Valladolid. Since losing to Barcelona 6-0 at the Camp Nou, Valladolid has beaten Real Madrid (1-0), Villarreal (0-3), and Depor (3-0), moving them from a “meh” team to a “hmm” team that has finally broken into the positive goal difference bracket, in which only 7 other teams currently reside.
Málaga sits in that position of obscurity in my mind, despite having beaten Sevilla in the Sanchez Pizjuan (0-1), nearly taken Madrid in the Bernabeu (4-3), and drawn with Villarreal (2-2). In there somewhere was a rain-soaked 1-4 loss to Barça. I know I watched them and I know I remember thinking they weren’t that good at all, but then again they beat Sevilla and drew with Villarreal so they must have something going for them…I think. I need to watch them more often, apparently. Anyway, they’ll survive easily enough, if not spectacularly.
Getafe, despite losing 5-2 to last placed Osasuna (what? seriously? 5-2? To Osasuna?), are a solid side that drew with Barça (1-1), beat RM (3-1), and then drew with Villarreal (3-3; though they were up 0-3 in what quickly turned into an insane game). That, to me at least, suggests they’re going to stay up, but that loss to Osasuna (and others like them) will keep them squarely out of Europe.
While I hate to admit it, I think that I’m going to owe John a beer on our bet concerning Sporting Gijon’s status in the top flight. They’re a plucky bunch and despite having their proverbial rumps handed to them by both Barça and RM (1-6, 7-1 respectively), they tend to pick up points against mid-table and relegation zone teams — and beat Deport 0-3 and Valencia 2-3 to boot. They’re not offensively fantastic (24GF), but they do enough to make up for their “bad” defense (35GA, worst in the league). That 35GF stat includes the 13 goals put in during that bad two game stretch, of course — as it should, since no one can take a game off and expect to earn points — so 22 goals in 14 games (1.57GA per game) is very middle-of-the-pack. With the 13 goals added back in, their only competition for worst defense in the league is little Numancia, who just happened to be the only team to beat Barça and were nearly the first team to shock RM in the Bernabeu (4-3 loss). Sporting Gijon are, by the way, the only team yet to draw a match. Seven wins and nine losses, eh? You could be playoff bound in the AFC West…
Last year’s “Oh crap I just survived, but I soiled myself in the process” team, Athletic Bilbao, is currently residing all the way up in 12th, which is somewhat shocking, in a way. They’re on 19 points, thanks to a timely victory over Real Betis to earn their first 3 points away from home and are looking a lock for their 10 millionth consecutive year in the top flight. What was a dismal campaign at first has seen 10 points earned out of the last 12 possible thanks to victories over Numancia, Gijon, and Real Betis. Scrappy against Barça and RM, they definitely could give several teams a run for their money in the second half.
Real Betis and Racing Santander round out the group that I think are safe, more because of the eyebrows I’ve raised at their play during various matches than because of any statistical markers. They’re both middle of the road both offensively (21 and 18GF, respectively) and defensively (22GA each). Betis displayed pluck and some amount of skill in their game against Barça (3-2 loss at the Camp Nou), won a string of games in November to shoot clear of relegation, and then have stuttered back downwards of late, having gotten only 1 point from their last 4 matches and that one was at home against relegation Espanyol.
Racing, while tied on points with Betis, do not give me quite the confidence in their survival. They will survive, I’m sure, but I don’t see them as anything other than lower-to-mid-table team. Yes, they drew with both Sevilla and Barça to start the year (both 1-1) and weren’t blown out by either RM or Villarreal (0-2 and 2-0, respectively), but they’ve drawn 1-1 three straight matches against underwhelming competition (Athletic Bilbao, Almeria, and Málaga, only one of which has been mentioned so far). They’re my “could fall” team right now, though that’s probably cherry-picking to some degree. Anyone think they’ll go up in the table over the second half?
When we first checked in this year on the league as a whole, Betis and Gijon were anchoring the bottom of the table, so they’ve certainly come a long ways. I said Betis would survive, but that Gijon would go down. Hopefully I’m wrong on the Gijon part because I’d love to see them stay up for at least another year. [And by the way, look at Barcelona's stats from that previous league review: 6 games in and 7 goals allowed. Now, 10 games later, just 10 goals allowed. 3 goals in 10 games? Holy mackerel.]
The bottom now has a totally different look to it and one that is, to me, quite surprising. Numancia is probably safe only because everyone below them is even worse, but they won’t get points from Barça in the Camp Nou, so they’ll have to hold their own at home some more (where they’re 4-2-2). If they get 36pts (they have 17 through 16 games, so 34 would be through 32 games and then 2 more for the final 4 games) they’ll be safe, I’m sure, though Zaragoza went down last year with 42 (10 wins and still out — yowch!).
I’ll take a moment here to delve into some statistics that might or might not be useful. Last year, 1053 points of a possible 1140 were earned (meaning there were 87 draws, which results in a net loss of 87 points because each team earns 1 point, or a total of 2 points is awarded evenly to both teams). To put it a different way, 92.37% of all available points were earned in 2007/08. This year so far, 444 points have been earned, or 92.5% of all available points (480 — 160 games have been played). Of those 480 points, the top 6 have earned 40.2% (193pts) of all the possible points, compared to last year’s 36.6% (417 out of 1140). That suggests, to me, that in order to survive, one will have to earn slightly fewer points than in the 07/08 season because the bottom 14 teams are earning, in total, fewer points.
The bottom 3 have earned just 8% of the points this year, while last year they earned a collective 8.5%. Take into consideration that Murcia and Levante were holding down the fort on the bottom by a wide margin (12 points in the end) and you have the signs that someone, somewhere, with an above average point total will descend: Zaragoza was that unlucky devil. Yes, Osasuna has earned only 12 points out of their possible 48, but that’s 25% of their total possible compared to Levante’s dreadful 22.8%. As long as Levante can keep from losing points to the relegation zone teams, they should be fine, even if they don’t dramatically improve their performances against higher table teams. [Just for full disclosure, Osasuna is currently on pace to earn 28.5 points -- that half a point could break either way -- so they're going to either be Levante pt. 2 or they're going to step up and finally do something with their season, even if they ultimately go down in a blaze of mediocrity]
I know I skipped Almeria last time, but I’m here to discuss them this time. Negredo is still scoring goals (8 in 15 matches), but it’s not really doing his squad any good since no one else seems to be doing diddly doo doo (he’s scored exactly half of their 16 total goals). They haven’t allowed that many goals (24), especially if their 5-0 thrubbing by Barça is taken out of the picture, they just can’t seem to score. They drew with RM, and lost by 1 to both Sevilla (0-1) and Villarreal (2-1). But they’re the second victim of Osasuna, having succumbed to the same crazy “sure, feel free to score” malady that Getafe did later. 3-1, Osasuna? You are going down. That’s my final word on them.
The pretty island paradise of Mallorca — or so say all those ads all over Spain — apparently also has a soccer team. I just don’t know what’s become of it. Once the land of Samuel Eto’o, then that of Dani Guiza, RCD Mallorca finds itself in a bit of a pickle. The team blows — 1 point above relegation with the 3rd worst GD in the league at -12 — and they have yet to play the three big boys (Barça, RM, and Villarreal), who they will play in quick succession to start 2009 and end their first half of the season. Despite earning a point against Sevilla, they’re not going to earn any against those three, meaning they’ll be in the relegation zone by the end of January. And I kind of think that’s where they’ll stay, but Almeria is going to beat them to the bottom in the end. They’ll probably survive, but if it comes down to the last 3 weeks for them, they’re done, even if they host 2 of the final 3 (Barça, @RM, Villarreal).
Then there’s the real relegation zone and the real relegation zone surprise, at least for me. Espanyol sits tied with Recreativo Huelva for 18th/19th place with 13 points. Only GD (-11 as opposed to Recre’s league-worst -15) keeps them one place away from safety. Espanyol in the relegation zone? Seriously? I mean, it kind of makes me happy in some sort of twisted ass sadistic way, but it’s still surprising. Perhaps we should have seen it coming, but it still feels just like the Valencia tankjob from last year, but with fewer talented players. Whatever the reasons — horrible offense (14GF) and anemic defense (25GA); they’re actually worse than Osasuna in both categories — they are in the relegation zone. I don’t see it continuing, based simply on the fact that they’ve got more talent than the other 4 teams around them combined (or so my Barcelona-centric mind says). They’ll figure it out for a few weeks and drag themselves to safety, if not by a comfortable margin — sort of like in 05/06, I guess.
Recre is, of course, floundering. They’re the oldest club in Spain, they’ve spent the last 2 years in the top flight (this is their third), and they finally seem to be sinking back into the mediocrity from whence they came. What I mean is, we’re talking about Espanyol without the talent to haul themselves back up. They have the fewest goals scored (11) and are tied third worst in goals allowed (26) in the whole league, which doesn’t bode well for the coming 22 games. They can end this half on a good note by beating Numanica, Racing, and Gijon, which could change my projection, but I think I’m going to bet on them going down.
And finally there was Osasuna. Despite only 2 wins in 16 matches (with 6 draws), they managed to stick around with everyone else, never losing touch. They’re only down 1 point to both Recre and Espanyol, but they do have Sevilla, Barça, and RM coming up before the halfway point. That’s no easy schedule and we’ll have a better idea of how bad they are come the middle of January. I don’t see them staying up, really, but what if that 5-2 win over Getafe was some sort of turnaround signal? After a 1-0 loss at Recre? Nah. They’re going down.
Official Winter Predictions:
League Champ: Barça
2, 3, 4: Villarreal, Real Madrid, Sevilla
5, 6: Valencia, Atleti
18, 19, 20: Almeria, Recre, Osasuna
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BA: perhaps he can sub henry for busquets and move iniesta forawd to the wing
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Happy new year to all!
I honestly think that if we beat Atletico and get to the Copa del Rey Semis we might see a significant Barca B presence in those games. Three competitions at once is downright grueling. Although…. Guardiola is an unconventional thinker. Who knows? If we have a big enough lead in La Liga he’s capable doing the unthinkable of playing the B squad on a couple of La Liga games and giving back a few points in exchange for advancement in the CL and Copa.
We’ll see a lot of rotations. Everybody on this squad can play multiple positions which is absolutely beautiful. I agree that for the CL games our #1 line-up barring injury should be Abidal-Puyol-Rafa-Alves in the back, with Xavi-Iniesta at CM, Yaya as defensive mid/destroyer of worlds, and the usual Henry-Samu-Leo trident up front. For the rest of the games there are so many possible combos that its mind boggling. Want to give Henry a rest? Bring Iniesta up and Busquets into CM. Samu got too many yellows? Move Henry to the 9 and bring Busquets/Guddy/Keita/Hleb (aka B/G/K/H) in. Xavi’s tired? Iniesta to the 4, B/G/K/H in. Both Messi and Henry are down? Iniesta forward, Hleb or Bojan to the right.
Arghhh too many possibilities!
Everybody can play everything!Depth is an awesome thing to have.
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Happy New Year!!!!!!
I couldn’t agree more Hector…Posted from
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Hector you made me swoon…the depth on our squad is incredible…
and the interviews on Pep’s blog pique my interest every time..its Samu’s turn and he doesn’t disappointPosted from
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Hector summed up why Iniesta and Henry are incompatible, unless Guardiola is going to play 4 up front, which he’s done before. But we have two options for Henry: left wing, which is where Iniesta is, or center-forward, which is where Eto’o is.
To be sure, an Iniesta/Henry/Eto’o/Messi attacking front would be imposing as hell, and would almost certainly produce goals. But I think that part of why we’ve been so successful is that the Yaya/whomever/Xavi tandem frees Xavi up to be a lot more attack-minded. Iniesta’s good, but he isn’t Busquets or Gudjohnsen in the ball control world, right? So if he attacks, either Xavi hangs back or we risk a counter-attacking hole.
Hector’s right in that there are lots and lots of possibilities. I think things will be opponent-specific. Teams that can’t really hurt us on the counter might actually see what would in effect be a 4-2-4.
My mindset has always been “at first, don’t concede.” I’ve been loving the dual-layered defensive midfield posture that has allowed us to play higher up the pitch while still retaining defensive integrity.
Can’t wait to see how things are going to work out, but I rather imagine you’ll start seeing more of a rotation, not only to get guys the rest they need, but to work Hleb and Keita in, particularly the latter. He still doesn’t have a “home,” to speak of.
We could even (shudder!) field a back line of say, a Victor, Milito, Pique, Caceres, with Hleb, Gudjohnsen and Keita in the middle, then Pedro, Krkic and some A-teamer who needs a runout, without messing with the core. That lineup might not score, but I’m betting if it put its mind to it, it wouldn’t concede against a lower-table Liga side or some such.
Wow.
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isn’t that pretty much what we tried against Shaktar? that game didn’t go especially well. few more observations but they’ll have to wait.
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That is, BA. But their hearts weren’t in it. T’was plain from the seats. With Guddie at the start, that match would have gone differently. Having Milito in that back line would have helped, too.
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Doesn’t Milito have to prove himself capable of defending better than Pique before he’s considered in front of him? Isn’t that the whole thing about Guardiola’s style?
It’ll take Milito a while to get back into the swing of things, that’s for sure, so perhaps using him as a late game sub in the Copa games is the way to go, after all.
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I’m thinking way ahead, Isaiah. If he’s back in February as planned, figure on him taking a while to get back into match shape. It’s been a loooong time.
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Fair enough. I love the idea of having a 5-deep central defense: Puyol, Marquez, Pique, Milito, Caceres. And when we bring back Henrique, it’ll be 6. Hot damn, son.
Though why we don’t just play a 1-1-9 as some have suggested, I don’t know: Valdes-Toure-Xavi-Iniesta-Hleb-Keita-Bojan-Busquets-Henry-Eto’o-Messi
Hell yeah we’re deep as what.
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Word Kevin. Bottom-line is that the line-up will vary depending on the opponent. Thats the truth right there.
I’m just glad we have Iniesta back as he is one of our most versatile players (and in our squad that’s saying A LOT). Although I do think some are remembering the crazy attacking left winger Iniesta of early this season and last year instead of the center midfielder Iniesta who filled in admirably for Xavi when he was injured for a couple of months a few years back. The guy is awesome when paired up by Xavi and he CAN play possession. Look at the Eurocup, a Xavi-Iniesta-Silva centerfield wasn’t the most physically imposing one, but it sure imposed its will via guile, technique, and skill. However, when it gets rough, a B/G/K next to Xavi might not be a bad thing. Im just worried about our centerback health. We’re deep almost everywhere but a Caceres-Pique center backline would be kind of scary.
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sorry BA and Hector, jason is going to have to disagree with you guys on our “ideal starting 11″. Henry does ok in his makeshift left-forward position, and Iniesta is one of the best CenterMids in the PLanet. BUT barcelona is an attacking team, and an Iniesta-Eto’o-Messi attack, is IMO, a stronger one than one with Henry on the side.
That leaves our midfield SPF-45less. And i think the 3 should be Xavi-Toure-Busquets. Im sure some might call it naive to consider busi, in out ideal starting XI, because he is by all means young, and inesperienced, but when he has played next to Xavi and Toure, he has played extrmely solid footy. I dont know what it is exactly but he is 3 times the player he is when playing next to them two. The trio play-off eachother very well, and i suspect its because none of them play exatly the same role, so they dont get in eachother’s way. Toure covers the backline, destroys everything, and distributes. Xavi stands behind the attacking line to stall counters, and to provide service to the attack. Busquets acts as an intermediary, assiting each CM with thier duty, and throwing a helping hand everywhere. We dont get much clueless wondering as we do with Hleb and Keita.
all of that said, my ideal eleven for the “big-matches”;
Valdes
Alves-Marquez-Puyol-Abidal
Xavi-Toure-Busquets
Messi-Eto’o-Iniestaof course, common sense dictates that if we are playing a physically impossing team, say Chelsea, we might want to forgo Busi, and throw in Oso or Keita for some added mussle.
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i’ll agree that Busquets adds a degree of stability to our midfield that is very useful, and that he plays very well with Xavi and Yaya; much better than i for one initially expected. but i still think that an on-form Henry adds so much threat in the minds of teams that they commit more to defending that left side, which slows down their counters and forces them out of offensive roles. Busquets is an excellent ball-winner and pretty good distributor, but i think against most teams he’s a largely redundant player. against most teams our best defense is in attack, and Henry is still an excellent attacker.
in the Champion’s League, however, i would be tempted with the lineup you offered for it’s added balance and stability, and keep Henry back as a super sub for when the opposing team starts to tire.
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Sorry BA but I have to disagree. For the past few games, Henry has been left largely alone because most teams focus on the right side, where Messi plays.
I think this was the most obvious in our games against Valencia and Sevilla.That’s where our problem is, too. Henry has been left alone, even by our own team. Meaning that although he has a lot of room, he still usually has to play against 2 or 3 guys with no back up.
However, when our opponents attack, its Henry who’s left alone which shows who they’re committing to. In counter attacks, someone will usually play a long ball to Henry or the midfield will make a long run and their only choice is usually Henry.
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I think if that we listed every single possible combination of players for FCB’s next match, no one would get Guardiola’s final lineup right.
Our team can’t stop playing and training and saving the world or whatever it is that draws players back from vacation early. Samuel Eto’o came back three days early! Holy crap!
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BA is right about the Henry Effect, the only problem is that it forces Iniesta to be odd man out, unless he plays back with Xavi, where I just don’t think he’s as effective.
OhYes points out another issue, which is that Henry is left alone, by the other team as well as his own teammates. The former is good, the latter isn’t, though they are learning to play with him more effectively. Keita and Abidal are the best at that, and Xavi is getting really good at it, too. Of course, Xavi can play with anybody.
I also think that Henry gives another dimension. Witness the long ball from Yaya that found Henry. He also scored on a long one against Espanyol. Yes, long ball isn’t what we should be playing all the time, but if you have a forward with a killer first step and great ball control, sometimes that can be used to break teams down.
I could even see platooning Henry and Eto’o by halves. I’d also like to see some more of Krkic on the wing, until he develops the size and strength to move into the middle. At present, he’s pushed off the ball way too easily, but can use his speed and ball handling to create chances.
I will quibble with Busquets’ “redundancy,” however. I think that he’s a big, defensive Xavi. But with Yaya, Busquets allows Xavi to really push up which, again, I think is where he’s most effective. Still don’t know how Xavi missed that goal against Valencia, though.
At the core of it, I think we’re all saying the same thing, which is that we have so many possibilities and options, that it just boggles the mind.
Has anyone been watching the Fox Soccer BarcaTV matches? They’ve been showing some really cool stuff, including the ‘01 Clasico, stuff from the ’90s, etc, including one Rivaldo lobbed goal that still gives me chills.
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Good points all.
I actually have to agree in some senses with BOTH OhYes and BA.
- As much as I and everybody else loves SPF45 you have to admit the guy has had an almost comical love relationship with the goal posts. He rarely scores goals. They’re usually spectacular when he does but the poor guy seems to almost always hit the darn post. He gets a lot of assists but he doesn’t have that scorer’s instinct like Messi and Henry. I know I sound like a broken record but I strongly believe that the Barca 4-3-3 is different from other 4-3-3’s in that it doesn’t use true wingers (who are essentially pacey, offensive midfielder who can dribble, come in from the flanks, and service the 9 and offensive center mids with crosses) but rather forwards who play on the wing and have winger but also forward skills (like hybrids). You need to be able to have 3 guys who can score lots of goals up front, thats what makes our trident so dangerous. Ronaldinho wasn’t a winger, he was a forward who played on the left but also had winger skills. Iniesta is still pretty young and if he can finally start scoring goals consistently then he would be a devastating winger/forward for us. However, IMO that’s wasting Iniesta’s true talent. Here’s my argument for playing him at center-mid next to his buddy Xavi:
1) He and Xavi have more chemistry at midfield than Hleb, Keita, Busquets (all in their first year playing with Xavi), and Guddy. The guys grew up in La Masia and have had the same concepts drilled into their heads for the majority of their footballing lives (I know Busquets is also a Masia alum but he’s a rookie) and, most importantly, they’be “been to war” together for both club and country (and they’ve won). I think we’ve forgotten what a beautiful symphony it is when they;re together in the center. Right now we could use a “new Deco”, and Iniesta is probably the closest thing to the good Deco of old.
2)What makes Iniesta great is his versatility. There are simply very few midfielders in the world that have an excellent center mid positional sense, a full repertoire of passing, and the technique and athleticism required to also take on multiple defenders with the dribble and win consistently. There are guys with some of these attributes but very few with all of them. It would be a pity to waste that combination. Especially when it would help us in our present situation….
3) Henry is getting left alone on the left a lot by both the other team and his own team as you guys said. Why? Sure, Messi being on the right is a big part. However… right now we’ve been playing essentially a 3-4-2 with Alves as an old school wingback. In that configuration, Abidal is not a conventional fullback as he is required to worry more about defense and pretty much forget for most of the game to make runs forward so as not to leave the CB’s exposed. Whereas Messi is supported by Alves, Henry has only had the G/H/K/B combo next to him. Although they are all good players, the possible exception of Hleb, they aren’t exactly good WING players and as such Henry doesn’t get too many quality overlapping runs and support on the left. Iniesta can do what he did at the Eurocup. Partner Xavi up at midfield and once the ball is flowing near the opponent area, move on the wing and seamlessly transform into a winger. He has all the tools to give Henry support on the wing and give him an outlet for 1-2’s so he can drift to the center. That is downright scary for opposing defenses. Granted, this will hinge a lot on his chemistry with Henry.
Disclaimer- I agree with Kevin that the line-ups will vary depending on the opponent. What I said hinges on Yaya remaining healthy because I trust him to cover everybody’s butts on defense. If he goes down, then Iniesta should probably be moved from center mid to add a more physical/defensive presence. IF we need more defense, I would say we should do what we’re doing but change Henry for Iniesta because if there’s gonna be a lot of one-on-ones or one-on-two’s on the left wing, I’ll take Iniesta and his dribbling skills over 31 year old Henry any day of the week. I cant wait for Busquets to keep developing both physically and skills-wise, he has the the frame to hold a body like Yaya’s once he adds more muscle but the skills and pedigree to be a center mid. Imagine a Yaya sized Xavi/Iniesta clone. That would be beyond awesome.
*Rant over*
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Good stuff, Hector. Somehow I don’t think that Busquets is going to develop into the man-mountain that is Yaya. He has the height, but he’s kind of narrow-shouldered and small-boned, unfortunately.
Your supposition about Henry is the one reason I wouldn’t mind seeing the 4-2-4: Iniesta and Henry. There is that hole in the center-left region because of the Abidal/Alves difference. When Abidal pushes up, Henry is much more effective.
You’ve sold me on the Iniesta/Xavi combo for (some) matches. I still think that the Busquets/Yaya tower of power is formidable, and adds a combo of defense/physical intimidation that Iniesta doesn’t bring to the table.
So you’re saying:
—–Henry————-Eto’o—————Messi
———-Iniesta—————–Xavi——–
———————Yaya——————
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Other gnus:
–Looks like Dos Santos is on the block at Spurs. Liga Mexicana is looking like the most likely destination, as there is no interest from Europe.
Man, that kid fell far and fast. Amazing what hanging with the wrong crowd will do for you. With work committment and a smaller head, he would almost certainly still be in the colors.
–Yes, we all know that Goal.com is becoming a funnier joke by the day, but to (in their Top 50) rank Adebayor 11 positions AHEAD of Eto’o just staggers me.
But then they rated Sneijder ahead of Puyol, which shows what that list is worth.
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there are also rumours that kolo, the other toure, wants to join yaya at barca. wow, imagine two of them!!
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4-3-3
4-2-4
3-1-6
1-1-9
Viva EL Espactaculo!The world is our oyster and all this talk is making me very hungry. Saturday cannot come too quickly.
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i am in no way arguing that our midfield is better WITHOUT iniesta, im just putting priority on the attack. im also not saying that Busquets is better than Henry, as they play different positions, and Henry has achieved a thing or two.
And hector, your right that Xavi and Iniesta have an incredible understanding of eachother (ie Euro08), but that doesnt mean they both have to play in the midfield. If i recall correctly, in the Euro, iniesta played as a winger, making darting runs into the middle, and he never played centermid. in spain’s 4-4-2, Xavi and Senna were CMs, and when they switched to 4-5-1, Fabregas played in the center with them. Anyways, the point of all that, is that Xavi and Iniesta’s partnership will not be hurt by iniesta playing on the wing, and with toure and Busi holding down the fort, Xavi is allowed the freedom to go up, and essentiall play right behin Messi, and Iniesta. When Defenses are looking at Xavi run at them with Eto’o right next to them, Iniesta Lurking on the left, and Messi on the right, i cant think of a scarier situation.
Also, i dont know who brought this up, but Henry only has one move. Run at the left back. Pause. Run to the end line and low cross. Iniesta is harder to deal with and has a destableizing effect on defenses. And no, right now hes not the world’s best goal scorer, but give him time, and he can develop a good goal scoring instinct.
You know, we can just solve this issue by cloning Iniesta, and having one in the mid, and one in the attack.
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btw, Kevin, i have been catching some of BarcaTV, yesterday i caught the Barca 4 – 0 Sevilla from 05, and today i saw the Barca 4-0 Villareal from 06 (aka Ronnie’s Chilena) scary thing is, after the Villareal game (from Nov 06), the commentator guy said that Barca just got a healthy lead over everyone in spain, and that they had the most goals in Europe… and as i remember the 06-07 campaign didnt end too well. i down want to jinx anything, but lets just keep our heads.
and i really hope Gio doesnt go to the Mexican League. He is too good for that. He should beg guardiola for forgiveness. Although frankly, we dont have room for another winger/forward. Hmm… unless we lose a certain Belorussian…
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Uh, oh….Jason has activated the HFC.
Henry has more than one move, if he is in his proper position. It seems like he has one move because he isn’t a winger. Yes, Iniesta destabilizes a defense with his runs, but let’s see him leave 2 defenders in the dust, take and control a long pass with one touch and bury the shot. Iniesta also doesn’t occupy 2-3 defenders the moment he gets the ball, as Henry does, nor is he as good at keeping control when being battered by an opposing defender.
Which means what?
Horses for courses. Comparing what Iniesta does to what Henry does leaves Henry out. But if you compare what Henry does to what Iniesta does, Iniesta gets left out.
The real question is what lineup will be best for a given opponent?
And I would take Hleb over Dos Santos any day of the week, and twice on Thursdays. Work ethic, ball control, passing ability, willingness to take one for the side….you name it. Hleb is perfect for his role in the side. He’ll never pout, or demand more playing time, or do anything other than what Gudjohnsen does: be the consummate professional. That’s irreplacable in a quality side such as ours.
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i know its too early but…
does anyone know of any transfer rumours for the summer transfer window?
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