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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I swear, I&#039;ll work on my serios spelling problems. Promis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I swear, I&#8217;ll work on my serios spelling problems. Promis.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KEVIN! SERIOSLY! HLEB over INIESTA? man... Even as a fan of an opposing team i cringe. A foreigner who just had a lack-luster season and who is untested in the Primera, over a Spaniard who was among the only reliable talent on your team last season, who is relatively selfless and has shown commitment to his badge, who just helped bring a European title to Spain through virtue of brilliant, slippery passing and reliable retention of posession... Why don&#039;t you admit it? You&#039;re not a Barca fan, you&#039;re an Arsenal fan! (I hate using those smiley face things, but imagine one right here)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KEVIN! SERIOSLY! HLEB over INIESTA? man&#8230; Even as a fan of an opposing team i cringe. A foreigner who just had a lack-luster season and who is untested in the Primera, over a Spaniard who was among the only reliable talent on your team last season, who is relatively selfless and has shown commitment to his badge, who just helped bring a European title to Spain through virtue of brilliant, slippery passing and reliable retention of posession&#8230; Why don&#8217;t you admit it? You&#8217;re not a Barca fan, you&#8217;re an Arsenal fan! (I hate using those smiley face things, but imagine one right here)</p>
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		<title>By: llobster</title>
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		<dc:creator>llobster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ll be in section 222 row 10...weird huh?

good thing i just got my new toure jersey too, cus i don&#039;t think my eto&#039;o or ronnie jerseys will fly anymore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ll be in section 222 row 10&#8230;weird huh?</p>
<p>good thing i just got my new toure jersey too, cus i don&#8217;t think my eto&#8217;o or ronnie jerseys will fly anymore</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 07:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I like about Hleb is his &quot;verticality.&quot;  Last year, we spent to much time playing &quot;titi-kaka&quot; - pointlessly passing the ball horizontally around the midfield.  (Remember that CL nightmare vs. ManU?)   Hleb is more direct.

It&#039;s interesting to note that Marca was saying that Spain&#039;s Euro triumph proved that &quot;titi-kaka&quot; works.  However, what Spain played was not titikaka.  Xavi, though the worst offender in &quot;titi-kaka&quot; for us last season, was fantastic: directing the game (like Derek Rae kept on pointlessly repeating, he was the &quot;conductor of the Spanish orchestra&quot;, every pass he made had intention and was dangerous.  That&#039;s the type of game we should be aiming to play.  Still possession-based, but always with an eye towards the goal.  That&#039;s why I think Hleb is a good signing, especially at that price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I like about Hleb is his &#8220;verticality.&#8221;  Last year, we spent to much time playing &#8220;titi-kaka&#8221; &#8211; pointlessly passing the ball horizontally around the midfield.  (Remember that CL nightmare vs. ManU?)   Hleb is more direct.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that Marca was saying that Spain&#8217;s Euro triumph proved that &#8220;titi-kaka&#8221; works.  However, what Spain played was not titikaka.  Xavi, though the worst offender in &#8220;titi-kaka&#8221; for us last season, was fantastic: directing the game (like Derek Rae kept on pointlessly repeating, he was the &#8220;conductor of the Spanish orchestra&#8221;, every pass he made had intention and was dangerous.  That&#8217;s the type of game we should be aiming to play.  Still possession-based, but always with an eye towards the goal.  That&#8217;s why I think Hleb is a good signing, especially at that price.</p>
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		<title>By: Kxevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kxevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mat, ticket sales for that match are interesting. I was surprised, about three weeks out, to be able to get such a good seat. It isn&#039;t being publicized really, and Barca still isn&#039;t the same kind of club as the Evil Empire, in that people just want to see them (or Beckham, in their case). No Ronaldinho or Messi will further dampen enthusiasm, and you know what? I don&#039;t care.

Just to see the lads, whoever comes, and to see the colors live and in-person in a year where I am not going to be able to see matches in the Nou Camp for the first time in years? I&#039;ll take it!  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mat, ticket sales for that match are interesting. I was surprised, about three weeks out, to be able to get such a good seat. It isn&#8217;t being publicized really, and Barca still isn&#8217;t the same kind of club as the Evil Empire, in that people just want to see them (or Beckham, in their case). No Ronaldinho or Messi will further dampen enthusiasm, and you know what? I don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>Just to see the lads, whoever comes, and to see the colors live and in-person in a year where I am not going to be able to see matches in the Nou Camp for the first time in years? I&#8217;ll take it!  <img src='http://barcelona.theoffside.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kxevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kxevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ciaran&#039;s analysis is spot on. I&#039;ll add something else. Henry LOVES playing with Hleb, because he maintains possession, and find the open player. Part of why strikers wind up offsides is that the player feeding the pass takes an instant longer than they should, and that instant is all that is needed for a top-class striker to get on the wrong side of the line. Hleb is a very good one-touch passer, so those offsides suddenly become onside, and legitimate scoring chances.

The fiscal analysis of this move is also spot on. 15 million doesn&#039;t buy an untested Brazilian midfielder, apparently, but it does buy a bargain of a battle-tested in the Premiership midfielder. Can you imagine how giddy Hleb is going to feel, not being battered every time he touches the ball, in the &quot;no blood no foul unless you&#039;re Cristiano Ronaldo&quot; Premiership world?

Silva didn&#039;t impress me at Euros, and for 30 million, frankly I&#039;d rather overspend for Adebayor. That money would be going for 30-40 goals a season, rather than another Iniesta.

And I know that this will be unpopular, but I would give Hleb a position over Iniesta, though my starting midfield for most matches would still be Xavi, Keita and Yaya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ciaran&#8217;s analysis is spot on. I&#8217;ll add something else. Henry LOVES playing with Hleb, because he maintains possession, and find the open player. Part of why strikers wind up offsides is that the player feeding the pass takes an instant longer than they should, and that instant is all that is needed for a top-class striker to get on the wrong side of the line. Hleb is a very good one-touch passer, so those offsides suddenly become onside, and legitimate scoring chances.</p>
<p>The fiscal analysis of this move is also spot on. 15 million doesn&#8217;t buy an untested Brazilian midfielder, apparently, but it does buy a bargain of a battle-tested in the Premiership midfielder. Can you imagine how giddy Hleb is going to feel, not being battered every time he touches the ball, in the &#8220;no blood no foul unless you&#8217;re Cristiano Ronaldo&#8221; Premiership world?</p>
<p>Silva didn&#8217;t impress me at Euros, and for 30 million, frankly I&#8217;d rather overspend for Adebayor. That money would be going for 30-40 goals a season, rather than another Iniesta.</p>
<p>And I know that this will be unpopular, but I would give Hleb a position over Iniesta, though my starting midfield for most matches would still be Xavi, Keita and Yaya.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Adebayor goes to Milan, Huntelaar will probably go to Arsenal. And Man Utd, after missing out on Huntelaar will sign Berbatov and we&#039;ll be left bidding for Zigic or someone. Ah... Nikola Zigic... He&#039;s a big central striker. Only messing.
If Adebayor was available for under €25million I&#039;d possibly change my stance a little bit but Huntelaar is still the better option. I&#039;d probably take Berbatov for that fee too. One distinct advantage in investing in Berbatov, if he didn&#039;t work after a season we could still sell him to an English Champions League team and get all of our transfer fee back.
Pavlyuchenko would have to be under €15million to take him instead. I wouldn&#039;t like to regret not spending the extra €10million on Huntelaar though. He is a guarantee for at least 25goals a season, even in La Liga.

There&#039;s been a lot of debate on the value presented by the transfer fee of Hleb at €15million + variables. Here&#039;s my opinion in a few different ways...
THE PLAYER: He has very good ball control, neat passing and does the Deco role in usually making the second last pass before a goal... (eg. passing to someone who makes the assist). He will not score goals but should make inroads into defenses that are packing the box with clever passing and movement. He does make others around him play better in general.
THE ALTERNATIVES: While Hleb makes a lot of space and plays for others he does not have an incredible return personally. The alternatives seem to be Silva and Hernanes. Silva is a very similar player to Hleb but will cost around €30million. He is younger and will score probably 5goals in a good season but will he contribute more in terms of team goals... probably not €15million worth. He is too similar to Iniesta. Hernanes on the other hand would not be a finished article and while has age on his side, certainly not in the immediate future, would not contribute as much as Hleb.
THE FEE: In the current market €15million doesn&#039;t go far. It wouldn&#039;t get you a 15goal a season midfielder. From the looks of it, it wouldn&#039;t even get you an unproven, decent midfielder from South America. There is the age factor but with contracts meaning so little these days, signing a €30million 22yr old like Silva could be a bigger risk if in two years he decides to leave and buy-out his contract.
I&#039;ll admit that it seems like a decent piece of business if not a world beater. We should not forget, we are looking for what would be our 5th choice starting midfielder (behind Toure, Keita, Xavi and Iniesta) or someone who can come off the bench to change things. I&#039;ll take that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Adebayor goes to Milan, Huntelaar will probably go to Arsenal. And Man Utd, after missing out on Huntelaar will sign Berbatov and we&#8217;ll be left bidding for Zigic or someone. Ah&#8230; Nikola Zigic&#8230; He&#8217;s a big central striker. Only messing.<br />
If Adebayor was available for under €25million I&#8217;d possibly change my stance a little bit but Huntelaar is still the better option. I&#8217;d probably take Berbatov for that fee too. One distinct advantage in investing in Berbatov, if he didn&#8217;t work after a season we could still sell him to an English Champions League team and get all of our transfer fee back.<br />
Pavlyuchenko would have to be under €15million to take him instead. I wouldn&#8217;t like to regret not spending the extra €10million on Huntelaar though. He is a guarantee for at least 25goals a season, even in La Liga.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of debate on the value presented by the transfer fee of Hleb at €15million + variables. Here&#8217;s my opinion in a few different ways&#8230;<br />
THE PLAYER: He has very good ball control, neat passing and does the Deco role in usually making the second last pass before a goal&#8230; (eg. passing to someone who makes the assist). He will not score goals but should make inroads into defenses that are packing the box with clever passing and movement. He does make others around him play better in general.<br />
THE ALTERNATIVES: While Hleb makes a lot of space and plays for others he does not have an incredible return personally. The alternatives seem to be Silva and Hernanes. Silva is a very similar player to Hleb but will cost around €30million. He is younger and will score probably 5goals in a good season but will he contribute more in terms of team goals&#8230; probably not €15million worth. He is too similar to Iniesta. Hernanes on the other hand would not be a finished article and while has age on his side, certainly not in the immediate future, would not contribute as much as Hleb.<br />
THE FEE: In the current market €15million doesn&#8217;t go far. It wouldn&#8217;t get you a 15goal a season midfielder. From the looks of it, it wouldn&#8217;t even get you an unproven, decent midfielder from South America. There is the age factor but with contracts meaning so little these days, signing a €30million 22yr old like Silva could be a bigger risk if in two years he decides to leave and buy-out his contract.<br />
I&#8217;ll admit that it seems like a decent piece of business if not a world beater. We should not forget, we are looking for what would be our 5th choice starting midfielder (behind Toure, Keita, Xavi and Iniesta) or someone who can come off the bench to change things. I&#8217;ll take that</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://english.gazzetta.it/Football/Primo_Piano/2008/07_Luglio/12/ronaldinho.shtml
Wow ..this just cracks me up...Milan wants Sheva too...so they want to have Ade, Ronnie, Sheva, Pippo, Pato and maybe Kaka as their strike force! ...So maybe Ade will be left out and we can have him...it seems so simple...We want Ade..Arsenal want to sell Ade...Milan want Ronnie...we want to sell him...let&#039;s start the train!</description>
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Wow ..this just cracks me up&#8230;Milan wants Sheva too&#8230;so they want to have Ade, Ronnie, Sheva, Pippo, Pato and maybe Kaka as their strike force! &#8230;So maybe Ade will be left out and we can have him&#8230;it seems so simple&#8230;We want Ade..Arsenal want to sell Ade&#8230;Milan want Ronnie&#8230;we want to sell him&#8230;let&#8217;s start the train!</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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Now if this is true then Ade is not that bad an option..somewhere around 20-22 mill is the max I am going to give for him, anything more than that...and Milan can have him...But all this does not add up...yesterday we were looking and smiling at Milan willing to pay 38 million...today reports are coming in that the price was actually 45 and then halvened to something as Arsenal want to negotiate! Crazy summer :D  (reminds me of stores...they beef up the price two times and then say we have 30% off!!)
Looks like Utd have bid for Berbatov today...so there we have it..no good, tall strikers left except Huntelaar and Ade.. and a couple more..</description>
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<p>Now if this is true then Ade is not that bad an option..somewhere around 20-22 mill is the max I am going to give for him, anything more than that&#8230;and Milan can have him&#8230;But all this does not add up&#8230;yesterday we were looking and smiling at Milan willing to pay 38 million&#8230;today reports are coming in that the price was actually 45 and then halvened to something as Arsenal want to negotiate! Crazy summer <img src='http://barcelona.theoffside.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   (reminds me of stores&#8230;they beef up the price two times and then say we have 30% off!!)<br />
Looks like Utd have bid for Berbatov today&#8230;so there we have it..no good, tall strikers left except Huntelaar and Ade.. and a couple more..</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a Peruvian friend who is coming along with me to bugger off the Chivas gang with his Spanish tirades..he is still pissed off at them for giving him a hard time at the Mexico-Peru game... the PROBLEM is ..he is not a Barca/Liga fan by any stretch and was just coming to see Messi or Ronnie...and worse he is planning to wear an old Madrid jersey to the game (since that&#039;s the only one he has :O )..I was like...dude are u #@c&gt;ing crazy?? he is still thinking abt it and now it looks like both the stars are not coming to the game...anyways its gonna be fun time! at least for me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Peruvian friend who is coming along with me to bugger off the Chivas gang with his Spanish tirades..he is still pissed off at them for giving him a hard time at the Mexico-Peru game&#8230; the PROBLEM is ..he is not a Barca/Liga fan by any stretch and was just coming to see Messi or Ronnie&#8230;and worse he is planning to wear an old Madrid jersey to the game (since that&#8217;s the only one he has :O )..I was like&#8230;dude are u #@c&gt;ing crazy?? he is still thinking abt it and now it looks like both the stars are not coming to the game&#8230;anyways its gonna be fun time! at least for me</p>
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