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		<title>By: jake</title>
		<link>http://barcelona.theoffside.com/team-news/barcelona-a-statistical-analysis-of-the-defense.html#comment-7619</link>
		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you Kevin, there is nobody I would rather have in that position. Personally, I don&#039;t think this season is just a flash in the pan. His brother Kolo has said many times that Yaya has always been this good, and it was just a matter of time before he was noticed by a big club. Apparently Arsenal wanted him a few years back, but he was non-euro, and Arsenal didn&#039;t have enough places. I bet that they are pissed off now. But then, I want Fabregas back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you Kevin, there is nobody I would rather have in that position. Personally, I don&#8217;t think this season is just a flash in the pan. His brother Kolo has said many times that Yaya has always been this good, and it was just a matter of time before he was noticed by a big club. Apparently Arsenal wanted him a few years back, but he was non-euro, and Arsenal didn&#8217;t have enough places. I bet that they are pissed off now. But then, I want Fabregas back.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mind you, if Yaya scores the winner on Sunday, I&#039;ll be the first one to celebrate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind you, if Yaya scores the winner on Sunday, I&#8217;ll be the first one to celebrate!</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sense is that we need a midfield spoiler -- someone in the Gattuso mode. To use your word, we need a thug. Yaya is terrific, but I worry about his attacking instincts. Against speedy opposition, his tendency to stray forward might leave us exposed at the back, especially since all our other midfielders are also attack-minded. At the end of last season, I felt we were lacking a holding midfielder, in the Gattuso-Makalele mold, somebody who can break up the other side&#039;s attacks. Yaya can do that, sure. But everytime he moves up to support the forwards, I get nervous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sense is that we need a midfield spoiler &#8212; someone in the Gattuso mode. To use your word, we need a thug. Yaya is terrific, but I worry about his attacking instincts. Against speedy opposition, his tendency to stray forward might leave us exposed at the back, especially since all our other midfielders are also attack-minded. At the end of last season, I felt we were lacking a holding midfielder, in the Gattuso-Makalele mold, somebody who can break up the other side&#8217;s attacks. Yaya can do that, sure. But everytime he moves up to support the forwards, I get nervous.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you Bobby G, but I&#039;ve been trying to think of someone who&#039;s better. Diarra at Real Madrid is widely acknowledged as one of the world&#039;s best, and Yaya has better ball skills, and plays better defense without knocking the crap out of people.

Makelele? Nope. Yaya has more speed and strength. You can run down the list: Gattuso? Yaya is more attack-minded, and a LOT faster. Mascherano? Um....okay, that&#039;s one. Essien is right up there, but he&#039;s a thug, and isn&#039;t as creative with the ball as Yaya.

I know it&#039;s early days, and this season might just be a flash in the pan for Yaya, but I can&#039;t think of anyone I&#039;d rather have in front of our back like right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you Bobby G, but I&#8217;ve been trying to think of someone who&#8217;s better. Diarra at Real Madrid is widely acknowledged as one of the world&#8217;s best, and Yaya has better ball skills, and plays better defense without knocking the crap out of people.</p>
<p>Makelele? Nope. Yaya has more speed and strength. You can run down the list: Gattuso? Yaya is more attack-minded, and a LOT faster. Mascherano? Um&#8230;.okay, that&#8217;s one. Essien is right up there, but he&#8217;s a thug, and isn&#8217;t as creative with the ball as Yaya.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s early days, and this season might just be a flash in the pan for Yaya, but I can&#8217;t think of anyone I&#8217;d rather have in front of our back like right now.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont think it is too early at all. sure, he has a while to go before he is globally recognized, but he is one of the most underrated players in the world. I would put him as one of the best, and probably the best holding midfielder in the world right now. just because he isn&#039;t globally recognized, it does not mean he isn&#039;t up there with the worlds best, it just means that the media haven&#039;t reported it.

But then, everyone is entitled to their opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think it is too early at all. sure, he has a while to go before he is globally recognized, but he is one of the most underrated players in the world. I would put him as one of the best, and probably the best holding midfielder in the world right now. just because he isn&#8217;t globally recognized, it does not mean he isn&#8217;t up there with the worlds best, it just means that the media haven&#8217;t reported it.</p>
<p>But then, everyone is entitled to their opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for taking the time to do the number-crunching. Like everybody else, I&#039;m a big fan of Yaya. But Kevin, I think it&#039;s a early to suggest he&#039;s approaching the &quot;world&#039;s best.&quot; Still, from your lips to God&#039;s ears ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for taking the time to do the number-crunching. Like everybody else, I&#8217;m a big fan of Yaya. But Kevin, I think it&#8217;s a early to suggest he&#8217;s approaching the &#8220;world&#8217;s best.&#8221; Still, from your lips to God&#8217;s ears &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ciaran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ciaran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at the amounts paid for the individual defenders Yaya has to be the best value. The overall age of the back five(six incl Valdes) is very appealing. Zambrotta and Sylvinho are pushing on though. I wonder who we&#039;ll replace Sylvinho with in the summer? There isn&#039;t a massive amount of talented left-backs around. And i don&#039;t think Lahm will play second fiddle to Abidal if we just got another right back</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the amounts paid for the individual defenders Yaya has to be the best value. The overall age of the back five(six incl Valdes) is very appealing. Zambrotta and Sylvinho are pushing on though. I wonder who we&#8217;ll replace Sylvinho with in the summer? There isn&#8217;t a massive amount of talented left-backs around. And i don&#8217;t think Lahm will play second fiddle to Abidal if we just got another right back</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice work. i agree with you, our defense has been alot more reliable this year. i think that we made some great investments (especially Yaya, who we paid 10 million euros for- a bit of a bargain, if you ask me) and zambrotta for lahm we will be set for the future, not just in defense.

And Kevin, i agree with you about the foreign limit proposal. If whoever makes the decision to accept it or not happens to be mentally unstable (like Sepp Blatter), it would truly bring down the quality of football significantly. I think that the Non-euro rule is enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice work. i agree with you, our defense has been alot more reliable this year. i think that we made some great investments (especially Yaya, who we paid 10 million euros for- a bit of a bargain, if you ask me) and zambrotta for lahm we will be set for the future, not just in defense.</p>
<p>And Kevin, i agree with you about the foreign limit proposal. If whoever makes the decision to accept it or not happens to be mentally unstable (like Sepp Blatter), it would truly bring down the quality of football significantly. I think that the Non-euro rule is enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um....my brain hurts. That&#039;s some serious statistical analysis, sir. My hat&#039;s off to you. It also bears out what I think we all believe, which is that the defense is worth every penny.

Last season was filled with uncertainty every time the other side got the ball. It was a group that made Puyol&#039;s weaknesses all too evident. This year, when the other side gets the ball, there isn&#039;t anywhere near as much worry, because Milito is a man, and Abidal is a greyhound, presuming anything gets past Yaya. 

Look at how composed things were against Stuttgart and Valencia. There wasn&#039;t a hint of danger from open play.

More importantly, however, last year&#039;s defense was a defense. This year&#039;s defense is also an offense. I&#039;d love to go back over the matches at the end of the season to note how many scoring chances have come from well-placed passes out of the back from a defender. Thuram has had a few, Yaya has had a ton, and those guys also free up Puyol to do his Roberto Carlos impersonation, and go stonking up the wing.

This year&#039;s defense is much better, in light of all that, plus my Yaya man crush. The fact that things are so different when he isn&#039;t in the lineup is a testament to the stability he brings to that holding midfield position. He already, I think, approaches world&#039;s best.

Now, something interesting. Remember when Giuly arrived at Roma, and said that Barca&#039;s training was essentially for girls, and that Roma trains like men? Now, some of that was obviously sour grapes, but is training the reason for the injuries we&#039;re suffering this year? I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about that. We haven&#039;t been getting play-based injuries, as in hard tackles causing things. It&#039;s been muscle pulls and tears, etc, the kinds of things that training can prevent, i.e. stretching and the kinds of comprehensive physical therapies that I think modern sporting franchises (such as the NFL) take for granted. I&#039;m starting to wonder.

Yes, the lads play a lot of matches, which accounts for a lot of the fatigue. Tired muscles are more prone to injury. And the season is long, as well. Thoughts?

In the last of the &quot;I&#039;ve been thinking file,&quot; what do we think of FIFA&#039;s proposal on limiting the number of foreign players per side? I just don&#039;t see it going anywhere, but stranger things have happened. Even during the Arsenal/Chelsea match today (a victory for the beautiful game), one announcer commented on the number of English players on Chelsea, and that there were none on the pitch for Arsenal.

The proposal really bothers me because its inevitable effect will be the dilution of football. Bilbao manages to field a respectable side with its all-Basque worldview, but they won&#039;t be contending for silverware any time soon, it&#039;s safe to say. Look at Barca, for example:

Puyol: yes
Xavi: yes
Iniesta: yes
Henry: no
Messi: yes and no
Krkic: yes and no
Abidal: no
Milito: no
Valdes: yes
Ronaldinho: yes and no, etc.

We&#039;d probably see a lot of that dual-nationality boondoggle sort of thing to get around the rule, but I think it&#039;s kind of silly. It&#039;s like telling a multinational corporation (which is what top-tier football sides are) that they have to hire &quot;locals&quot; first, and can only have x number of foreign-born workers. And this is atop the &quot;non-EU&quot; restriction that is already in place.

Yes, everyone will have to deal with it, but the ruling will inevitably result in a lower quality of football. I can see national sides needing to be national. The rest is silly protectionism, if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;.my brain hurts. That&#8217;s some serious statistical analysis, sir. My hat&#8217;s off to you. It also bears out what I think we all believe, which is that the defense is worth every penny.</p>
<p>Last season was filled with uncertainty every time the other side got the ball. It was a group that made Puyol&#8217;s weaknesses all too evident. This year, when the other side gets the ball, there isn&#8217;t anywhere near as much worry, because Milito is a man, and Abidal is a greyhound, presuming anything gets past Yaya. </p>
<p>Look at how composed things were against Stuttgart and Valencia. There wasn&#8217;t a hint of danger from open play.</p>
<p>More importantly, however, last year&#8217;s defense was a defense. This year&#8217;s defense is also an offense. I&#8217;d love to go back over the matches at the end of the season to note how many scoring chances have come from well-placed passes out of the back from a defender. Thuram has had a few, Yaya has had a ton, and those guys also free up Puyol to do his Roberto Carlos impersonation, and go stonking up the wing.</p>
<p>This year&#8217;s defense is much better, in light of all that, plus my Yaya man crush. The fact that things are so different when he isn&#8217;t in the lineup is a testament to the stability he brings to that holding midfield position. He already, I think, approaches world&#8217;s best.</p>
<p>Now, something interesting. Remember when Giuly arrived at Roma, and said that Barca&#8217;s training was essentially for girls, and that Roma trains like men? Now, some of that was obviously sour grapes, but is training the reason for the injuries we&#8217;re suffering this year? I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about that. We haven&#8217;t been getting play-based injuries, as in hard tackles causing things. It&#8217;s been muscle pulls and tears, etc, the kinds of things that training can prevent, i.e. stretching and the kinds of comprehensive physical therapies that I think modern sporting franchises (such as the NFL) take for granted. I&#8217;m starting to wonder.</p>
<p>Yes, the lads play a lot of matches, which accounts for a lot of the fatigue. Tired muscles are more prone to injury. And the season is long, as well. Thoughts?</p>
<p>In the last of the &#8220;I&#8217;ve been thinking file,&#8221; what do we think of FIFA&#8217;s proposal on limiting the number of foreign players per side? I just don&#8217;t see it going anywhere, but stranger things have happened. Even during the Arsenal/Chelsea match today (a victory for the beautiful game), one announcer commented on the number of English players on Chelsea, and that there were none on the pitch for Arsenal.</p>
<p>The proposal really bothers me because its inevitable effect will be the dilution of football. Bilbao manages to field a respectable side with its all-Basque worldview, but they won&#8217;t be contending for silverware any time soon, it&#8217;s safe to say. Look at Barca, for example:</p>
<p>Puyol: yes<br />
Xavi: yes<br />
Iniesta: yes<br />
Henry: no<br />
Messi: yes and no<br />
Krkic: yes and no<br />
Abidal: no<br />
Milito: no<br />
Valdes: yes<br />
Ronaldinho: yes and no, etc.</p>
<p>We&#8217;d probably see a lot of that dual-nationality boondoggle sort of thing to get around the rule, but I think it&#8217;s kind of silly. It&#8217;s like telling a multinational corporation (which is what top-tier football sides are) that they have to hire &#8220;locals&#8221; first, and can only have x number of foreign-born workers. And this is atop the &#8220;non-EU&#8221; restriction that is already in place.</p>
<p>Yes, everyone will have to deal with it, but the ruling will inevitably result in a lower quality of football. I can see national sides needing to be national. The rest is silly protectionism, if you ask me.</p>
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