

The times, they are a’changin’
By: Isaiah | November 6th, 2008
FC Barcelona, riding high on an 11-game winning streak in all competitions, was finally brought back to earth by its 1-1 draw at home against FC Basel. Such is life. All good things come to an end, as they say, but the thing that has come to an end, at least for the immediate future, is Andres Iniesta’s run of form.
Poor Andres, who has been a major contributor to our success so far this season, is out injured. He’s started 13 of our 17 games in all competitions and subbed on for one, playing 740 out of the 850* league minutes. He’s only scored 1 goal, but his contributions in terms of passing and spacing have been invaluable. I’ve always been a fan of SPF45, but this year I’ve found myself nodding knowingly as he squirms through a couple of defenders, as if that’s somehow normal. He’s all growed up now and he’s proving those who pointed to him as one of those necessary but hard-to-pin-down players very, very right.
Because of his injury — a muscle tear on the back of his knee, from what I understand — he’ll probably miss the December 14 Clasico in the Camp Nou (as well as our very own Kevin’s trip to Barcelona, involving Valencia and Shaktar). If I were Mrs. Kevin, I’d demand a refund. Or maybe just more Yaya. Either way, Iniesta will be missed, though it does provide Hleb and Keita fairly decent opportunities to step up and get more playing time. Both have been maligned by some for failure to produce, but both are still growing into the squad, a process that generally takes a year except in, well, exceptional cases.
Seydou Keita is back to full training with the squad after getting injured a few weeks ago. That’s good news for us and hopefully he comes back stronger and with a better understanding of his role, whatever Pep decides that is. I’ve seen him almost as a left-sided central attacking midfielder, a designation that makes no sense at all until you watch him. He’s not an Iniesta, he doesn’t make into the box much, but there he is in left channel, playing as if he’s in the middle of the field. It’s strange, I think, but it allows Abidal/Sylvinho to make constant overlapping runs without removing the threat from the middle. It’s where Messi has been drifting to on the right, freeing up Alves to swing over his shoulder into the corner.
Yet the greater issue right now is what is happening to our fan base. Yes, the team is playing beautifully and has regained the top spot in the league after quite a while out of it, but those who follow the team are beginning to place their faith in this squad. Because I thought Rijkaard was a great coach — note I said great, not good — I will not bash him. I was not in favor of letting him go, but I will admit that Guardiola has changed a few things, not least of which is the feeling you get watching the players. They are running harder and smarter, they’re challenging for every ball, they’re taking (almost) every shot. It remains to be seen how long they can keep up this work rate, but Guardiola’s rotation can’t be hurting. The fans are responding and beginning to gain in confidence after 2 years of slow, but steady declines in self-belief — and yes, I know the arguments that will be posted in the comments — and that is a good thing.
I love reading that people are really excited for our next game because they believe we will win and put on a good show doing it. So far, I’ve noticed that most everyone is going at it well-balanced, without expecting to win, but rather believing we will win. There’s a subtle difference there, of course, especially to a semantic nerd like myself. We believe we will win, but only through hard work and dedication, by putting bodies on the line and putting heels on throats. We lose Iniesta, but here we are, with Keita back and with Hleb ready to roll. Get those guys integrated in the squad and we’ll be truly dangerous. My lord, Bojan has been misfiring constantly this year and yet he’s got 3 goals — he has 8 sub appearances and 0 goals in the league — if he starts clicking, and I think we all know he will soon, we’re going to be so dominate it won’t be funny.
It’ll just be awesome.
Think of the names we bandy about: Bojan, Caceres, Busquets…none of them are regular starters, yet we all seem to agree that they are talented.** This means that we are deeper than we have been in several years as well as younger. If we don’t win any titles this year, it will surprise me a bit, but will not mean all that much because the core of our team is young and talented. Not much wrong with that, to be honest.
Real Madrid aren’t exactly floundering, despite there current knack for losing to Juventus. It’s not like they lost their first Copa del Rey game to a Segunda B team or anything. Wait. Oops. I’d laugh more if we hadn’t barely beaten Benidorm 1-0 thanks to the aforementioned Bojan, though I have little doubt that RM will pull it out in the Bernabeu against Real Union. They will be without Arjen Robben, though, who looks set to be out for roughly the same amount of time as Iniesta after he got injured in training before this last Juve loss.
We all see El Clasico as the most important game during the season, but will it actually end up being such? RM continue to get points in the league (they’re only 2 behind at this point) and can never be counted out. But is this a two horse race or a three maybe even four horse race? What of Villarreal and Valencia? Villarreal are steady as she goes (despite a thrashing in the Copa by Segunda side Ejido) and sit between Barça and RM; Valencia is 4th, but has been playing without David Silva for a while. Will the injuries to Iniesta and Robben give both El Submarino Amarillo and Los Che the chance they need to keep themselves in title contention during the tough weeks ahead?
I personally don’t think anyone has the talent Barça currently boasts, but La Liga is the real deal, folks, and no game is ever easy. Except the Almeria game. That one was easy…but who saw that coming? Not you. Whoever you are, you did not see it coming. And you didn’t foresee Ejido and Real Union winning, either. But they happened and the league is more interesting for it. Being partisan, I am rooting for Barça putting this thing away soon, but it’s a long, tough road and I plan to go ahead and enjoy it one game at a time.
Oh man, the times, they are a’changin’, huh? And I, for one, like it.
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*This includes added time, which, contrary to popular belief, is actually real time. I have the total from Valdes’ stats page.
**I’ll go ahead and admit that Busquets is growing on me, though I’m still skeptical to a certain degree about his consistency. However, if we’re giving Bojan the benefit of the doubt, we have to give it to Busquets as well, especially considering that Bojan has had a full year’s worth of time in the 1st team and Busquets has appear in 11 games, including the Copa Catalunya.
Also, Bojan has played 176 minutes in the league (21%), which is not all that much. When he has appeared more often in the Champions League, he has a much better record: 176 minutes in the group stage (49%), but has 2 goals. He also has played 93 minutes (100%) in the Copa and scored 1 goal. Per minute, Bojan is rocking the house, I’d say (Eto’o has 10 goals in 881 minutes and Messi has 10 in 920, as opposed to Bojan’s 3 in 445).
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yeah it was pretty emphatic. it got me thinking and reminicing about some of the great ronnie goals. in particular i was remembering one he scored against villareal in 2006 when from a free kick, xavi saw ronnie open at the far post, ronnie popped the ball on his chest, spun 180 and bicycle kicked it into the top corner of the net. man i will never forget that goal. i miss him sometimes.
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or should i say “over-head kick” instead of bicycle kick?
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andrew, no words can describe what Ronnie could do.
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with Mr. R10 being my fav. player, i did catch the milan game. kinda boring actually, braga were outplaying milan most of the time. the difference was one team had ronaldinho, the other did not. The team with him won. It was a great shot. Form, fitness, effort, committment, all the critics can debate that, but no one can debate that his ability with a soccer ball cannot be matched.
i hate having to defend his case against ignorant people. Honestly, he could have retired last year and been remembered as a great. World Cup Winner at age 22, World Player Of the Year 24 and 25, including two ligas and a champion’s leauge. And outside these “facts”… Ronaldinho the player cannot be understood without seeing him in action, only through the thousands of YouTube compilations can people truly understand
When i say i think he is the Best that has played, I understand that older fans would be quick to write me off as a youth, unfamiliar with the Peles, Maradonas, Sanchezs, but from the videos i see, i think that football as a whole has evolved, and is played at a way higher level than it was say 20 or 30 years ago. So while most might not want to compare i think the Zidanes and Figos have more pure talent and ability than our older heroes. Not to mention the sheer amount of fixtures that are played, and the amount of players who they have to compete with these days.
ok… i guess i start to rant while on this subject… I think the point was that Dinho is awesome.
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Isaiah, good article as usual.
I remember only once I had the posting problem, but figured out its the system bug so no worries and thanx for follow up.
I kind of think that robben injury harm madrid more than Iniesta injury harm Barcelona (IMPORTANT NOTE:that by no way mean that i consider Robben a better player), but we have the players that can create surprise and take the game on their own even in the absence of iniesta, while for RM and based on the non creative but well systemized Schuster vission, robben is the only player who can improve group dynamic on the field, aside of higuin who for a mysterious reason still behind Raul in the picking order.
Roni is no doubt one of the rare talents we knew about in the world of football (I say it this way because i believe there are talents who had no luck to be known for a reason or another), but comparisons are not simple, so I prefer to categorize players based on classes, rather than ranking them individualy, or else who is better Romário or Ronald Koeman? it may sound easy to decide at the heat of the moment but the more you think the harder it gets.
Definitly Roni belong to the class of supper talents, with others, but not so many.
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Man, I’m really looking forward to the classico. Just imagine, heinze is doing crap at Madrid. Think what Messi and Alves can do to him.
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Reports are that we are going to go for Cesc in January. I call bullshit in that one. No way would Arsenal let him go in January, and he would be cup tied too, so his usefulness plummets for this season. I’d love to take him back, and an end of season bid wouldn’t surprise me, but January just sounds a bit ridiculous to me.
And apparently Busquets has rejected a deal. Just sign the freaking contract. You’ve only played a handful of games, and you’re still a kid.
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Well jake I think it was a miss management from Barcelona to promote him before extending his expiring contract and they are paying for it now, knowing that time is not on their side, and being aware that if this took long, it may even effect her performance, not intentialy but as a human nature.
i am not sure how true that news we both read, but honestly if the offer mentioned there is true 500,000 fixed salary plus 500,000 for playing 60% of the games, we need to admit its not z good offer for a first team player on pep standards, so i think this is all a part of the negociation game.
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It may effect HIS performane…who wrote the “her”?:)
Have you all noticed? eto’o contract negociation seems to be in a fridge.
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Is the Cesc rumor just a rumor or a move prompted by Iniesta’s injury?
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wow. there’s a thing on the barca website (in spanish — not english) where you can send a message to andres iniesta to wish him well on his recovery. ive never seen anything like this, i translated:
“Give your support to Iniesta
All socios and fans that want to help andres iniesta to get through his injury in the best way possible, can send him a message by cell phone. also, among all the messages received, one will be picked to receive a shirt signed by the player.
The game against Basel on wednesday produced one piece of bad news: the injury of andres iniesta, that will keep him out of the team for 6-8 weeks. the image of the player from Fuentealbilla on the field of the Camp Nou with a lost look gave one the feeling that during the coming weeks the fans of Barca would not be able to enjoy the football of Iniesta.
Cheer him up
All who wish to cheer up and support Andrés Iniesta can do it via text message. You must send the message with the name of the player and your message to 5933.
Example: INIESTA y your message to 5933
El coste del mensaje es de 1,20€+IVA.
Drawing for a shirt
All messages received will be given to Andrés Iniesta so that he can see how the fans of Barca are at his side in a delicate moment for him. In addition, among all the messages that are received one fan will receive a shirt signed by the player.”
[it's not me, the barca website often repeats itself in the same article]
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I’m going to tell him not to let his sister “practice” on him while he’s laid up recovering.

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Apparently, both we and the EE are going to limping into El Clasico. Van Nistelrooy’s knee injury is looking a lot worse than originally anticipated. Might, like Abidal’s, require surgery. And of course there’s Robben and De La Red. For us, there’s Milito (who I almost don’t count, he’s been out for so long), Abidal and Iniesta.
–Meanwhile, Arshavin says that if Zenit don’t sell him, he’s going on strike. For real this time. T’ain’t no joy in the game, says the winger who is fast seeing his time (and price) slip. Stay tuned for that one. That would have looked like a pretty good deal for 15 million (had it happened) with Iniesta out, eh?
–Yes, Ronaldinho was great. But I’m glad he’s gone. The kind of player that he is now works best in a more stationary league such as Serie A. Hell of a strike, but he’s still overweight and pretty stationary these days. It’s still difficult for me to forgive him for last season, so pardon my irritability on the R10 situation.
–Not sure where the Busquets information was found. A link would be good. Can’t believe the kid would be doing stuff such as that. Frankly, I’d rather keep Yaya anyhow.
–I’ve mentioned the Eto’o thing before. His contract talks are “on hold” because the player wants to concentrate on the season. I still believe their is a lot of rancor after this summer past. And Eto’o is certainly playing like a guy in his “contract season,” that is a player who wants to show his best to facilitate the best deal. The cynic (and realist) in me still says he wants to spitefully leave on a free if he can.
–Fabregas would cost absurd money. And he’s worth it, because he beat out Xavi and Iniesta in the Spain starting XI, right? Right? Oh….wait….no. I don’t deny the guy’s talent. He’d look really good in that Deco sort of role, and we’re certainly going to be selling some guys over the summer. Hey, who would YOU rather have coming off the bench, Gudjohnsen or Fabregas? Or Hleb?
We’ll try something for the summer, or try to lock him down in January. But having him come in January means that he’ll be a help for the Liga, but not Champions League. He’s also the second “bank-breaker” we’ve been linked to, Benzema being the other.
As usual, I’ll believe it when it happens. And Wenger will certainly want Yaya as part of that deal.
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i think that the fabregas thing is barcas version of ronaldo-gate. i dont think there is any chance of getting him in the january window because arsenal is suffering a lot with injuries and are not performing well. they will only release him at a time when they know they could find a replacement ie: summer. and even then it will be really hard to get him. i think the rumours starting now are just to unsettle him at arsenal and get him thinking about a deal with barca, so that come summer he will know what he wants to do. if arsenal is missing hleb, i will be all for giving him in the swap if we are agreed hleb is not a winger and is indeed a midfielder. hell give them guddie too.
i agree with kevin that while ronnie was great, his departure was necessary. he slowed the game down a lot and his antics of last season were unforgivable. i miss his smile and i think he is a great person, but his time came and went.
as far as football being different now to 30 years ago, i think there are a few reasons for that. first of all there is a major increase in technology. think of how the balls are made these days, a long time ago people couldnt put that much swerve on the ball. also what is required of players has changed a lot, now they have curfews and diets whereas in the past players could smoke and drink (think george best). now players are almost superhuman atheletes. the game is also more technical than in the past compared to a more physical game.
ramzi i see you have moved to the usa!! (just kidding- your flag says usa under your post)
i can understand busquets holding out for a better deal but he should be careful because its not like he is irreplaceable. he is not messi or iniesta. perhaps he has got a big head from all his first team action. maybe bench him a little until he realises that he is not the best especially now with keita an guddie back in action.
man robben (the glass man as they call him) is so delicate. its like he is always injured. and if this is true about van nistelrooy, then EE are in major trouble. they dont have a lot of depth to their squad, besides higuain, they have saviola who can play upfront and raul is passed his best. without robinho, they are seriously limited on the left plus with heinze or marcelo the players coming up the left from deep, it looks like messi and alves can cause havock. if they have no serious attacking threat from the left, that frees alves up a lot to get forward. hopefully we can put the boot in early to make up for the 4-1. maybe one of our 6-1 or 5-0 specialiaties will be the order of the day.
evolving football lighter balls etc
cesc to unsettle
ramzi moved to usa?
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oops i left my notes attached to the bottom of that post. i just write things down while i read to remember what to respond too.
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No andrew I didn’t move, I just went there to have a meeting with obama and wish him the best then looked for Kxevin and Isaiah but they felt its boring to keep my company for the rest of the day so as you see the flag down, I am back to Germany…or thats what my flag tell
1) still there is a long way till December and lot of things may happen even though I always wish no one get injured neither for us nor for “them”, let the better team win.
2) I would like to sms a message of support (even though he will not be there to read all that lol), but i am not sure how this go for those outside spain, but its nice to promote this ballbeav.
3) I know BA will draw his dager, but no i dont want a 29 years old untested Arshavine next summer when I have Iniesta, Ausslin, Jef, and pedro.
4) The question is not if Cesc is a good player or not, but if he is a priority for now, we all know it will be another crazy market next summer so are we up to challenge on more than one battle, including getting our expensive striker? The definite thing is that he will not come in January, and he will not come to warm the bench.
5)Kxevin the Busquets rumor is on Pep blog, the source is Marca, so you know…
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Ramzi: i’d want Arshavin in January, not June.
:: Fabregas would be the most expensive benchwarmer ever. he’s not going to dislodge Xavi or Iniesta from their spots on the 1st team, and he can’t play in any other role (as good as he is at the one he knows).
:: is it just me or is Busquents kind of a d-bag? his on-field playacting coupled with his petulance at the contract talks make me wonder about his effect on a harmonious dressing room.
:: i’d like to see Keita out on the left. that’s an interesting thought. tell the goofy Malian to start cracking shots from outside and putting them in if he wants to stay here.
:: i can’t decide if we even need to pick up someone in January. we’re flush with defenders. an attacking midfielder/forward? someone we can put on instead of Gudjohnsen? Iniesta has been marvelous on the left wing, but with him out injured we’re back to Henry trying to play out wide, which makes me a bit queasy. a versatile attacking midfielder/winger who has some creativity to challenge defenses and an eye for goal seems like what we need.
but where could such a player be found? i’m stumped. i’ll just close my eyes and put a pin on this map… oh look, St. Petersburg…
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henry is gonna start getting more minutes than he has been all season due to iniesta’s injury. lets see what happens.
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I say we bid 20 million euoros for Fabregas in January. Arsenal will no doubt reject, but this tells Cesc that he’s welcome back to the squad if he wants to come back, but we sure as hell are in no dire need for him, and sure as hell will not pay 50 mil for a talent we raised.
Honestly, i think that he should just play out his contract with Arsenal, then join us. How long does it run? (if anyone knows)btw, if Madrid show up to the Camp Nou without Nistelrooy theres no way they leave with a single point. They will go come with sore cheeks and a postcard. I never want to wish a player harm. I actually am a fan of RvN, but if doesnt make it to El Clasico the EE dont have a chance.
oh, and on my previous post, my admiration for R10 in no way suggests that i think we should have kept him. i acknowledge that it was for the best, and that all parties benefitted from his sale.
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BA, as much as i agree… i think Arshavine would have been a good buy had we not picked up Hleb.
hm… i dont want to offend anyone, so let me keep this vague… how bout in january, or in the summer we offload an icelandic and belorussian and pick up a Russian
I think he can be a suitable replacement for Iniesta, whenever he needs a breather, or if, God forbid, he gets injured again.
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BA u just don’t give up

R you the Russian boy agent or what?Arshavine story remind me of modric story, who was labeled as the new Cruyff who will turn the heads around, he moved to a “little higher” level in football and flopped, the difference is that arshavin didn’t flop, because he didn’t move;)
This is a kind of players who need to be the unique star with a team serving him so he do his best, in barcelona this is not the way things happen, he need to serve the team, running and earning back the ball.
Secondly, Arshavin ego will not accept the role of bench warmer, so when you have Messi and iniesta what will you do? do we have a room for more rotations?BA so you meant we buy him on January and sell him in the summer?because then you will have the names i mentioned above.
You cant switch him for Hleb who offer more tactical diversity for the team, he is better? well hleb played in a more difficult league and proved being vital not only for couple of games but for many seasons, and now that he left Arsenal you can see his value when you watch them, Arshavine? of what i watched, I can say he played three games that could be considered good taking the opponent in consideration, one in euro and two in the euro cup, and played as many at least average games. i haven’t watched enough? may be…
if it worked to get him last summer for - AT MOST - 15 M, that would have been nice because it will make dear BA happy, for a while;)
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BA, watch some of the videos i posted at the beginning of this thread, there are some interesting alternatives for players who can replace iniesta. plus they are young and could only dream of benchwarming at barca. i think arahvine is just too old to be a decent investment. unless of course we can get him for cheap.
what if we played fabregas in games where we where we needed to attack, and played yaya as DM and xavi and fabregas together as RAM and LAM respectively? just a thought
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i dont think a repacement for iniesta is actually that important come to think about it because - hoping everything goes well- iniesta should be back in action before the january transfer window.i think it would perhaps be more important to find someone who could play right or left full back because sylvinho has expired and we cant rely on el capitan. alves and abidal might get injured, what if alves now got injured? how would we play at the back? we have tonnes of centre backs but not enough runners.
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I definitely like the idea of Cesc coming back… maybe not in January for all the reasons listed above. But in thinking about how and where he would play, I could envision the following future lineup w/ him–
Back 4
—–Yaya—–
—Xavi Cesc–
Messi Eto’o Iniesta.w/ Bojan, Busquets and the other rising B squad players off the bench. You could exchange Eto’o for whatever big money striker we get if he leaves.
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Morning:
1) I’m -and always been- with BA about Arshavin.
2) Busi’s agent appeared yesterday on TV3 saying that the deal is almost done since Busi doesn’t want to hear anything from any other club.FEM
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