

(Re)thinking Saturday’s Thoughts
By: Isaiah | July 20th, 2009On Saturday I wrote a semi-lengthy missive about a different perspective to the whole Eto’o-Ibra-Villa deal. There were a couple of responses since then that should probably be addressed, especially after having given it some thought.
I’m not sure I found holes, per se, in my argument that, to immensely simplify it, a club’s financial success could lead to the removal of a “better” player in favor of a “worse” one, but there are certainly some details that should be added on. Ramzi and Kevin both pointed out that jersey sales can be indicative of global reach/popularity. That is certainly worth mentioning, especially after I seemed to deride jersey sales as mere secondary income sources (I wasn’t deriding them, to be clear, just putting them out of the realm of primary revenue sources).
It seems to me that this is a fairly decent way of thinking about jerseys. Clubs get basically a freebie out of producing and selling these jerseys (unless they don’t sell, I suppose — does the Botiga have a backlog of Hleb jerseys?) and advertisers get a free walking billboard. No wonder jerseys are pushed so heavily. But could they also be used as a way to judge popularity not just of the particular player, but of the overall team brand?
Because they’re a product, I have to assume that jersey sales numbers are tracked about as fanatically as anything else in the modern marketplace and so I also have to assume that who buys them and, far more importantly, where is also tracked. Doubtless the more popular players are marketable across the board, meaning in all societies regardless of class or race (think Ronaldinho), and local players are more capable of “moving product” in their hometowns than in most foreign countries.* The less popular players would be more marketable in their hometowns or home countries and thus their jersey sales should reflect that.
I can’t and won’t claim to be an economist with a complete grasp of all of these concepts, but I do think it’s fairly obvious that jersey sales numbers could be used to produce a model for how well a particular team would do in a certain market. It is also true, however, that exposure and sales have effects on each other. If jersey sales are indicative of how well a team will do in a particular market, it could also be argued that TV rights can inflate those jersey sales in the future or that past shares of the TV market have already inflated those sales to the point where they are no longer indicative of what the market share will be like in the future.
Barcelona is no doubt riding high on a wave of marketability and thus can ask for a greater media payout, but I would doubt that they’re basing their financial decisions on jersey sales in any substantive way for all the reasons I outlined in the footnote. And by the way, you should read my footnotes cause sometimes they have some information in them that is relevant to the rest of the “story”.
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*It’s probably important to note that a player like Ronaldinho might not apply to this last part of the statement because he’s from a poor region where there isn’t as much money to buy luxury items such as jerseys; not only that, of course, but there are lots of knockoff jerseys being sold. When I was in Tanzania, there were no official jerseys available in Arusha except, perhaps, in the richest of the rich stores. I certainly didn’t see them and I specifically asked about them. It strikes me as incomplete to write a post about jersey sales without mentioning this secondary market and the inability of anyone to track these types of markets in general. Any discussion of this sort should be sure to provide a caveat for that and I’m sure that there are extrapolated (and theoretically inflated) numbers presented during meetings between clubs/leagues and TV groups/companies. For purposes of simplicity, I’m only thinking of these numbers in theory, rather than in actual practice (for which I’d have to have the numbers themselves, which I obviously don’t have).
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Maybe it was Rijkaard’s squad and system…
personally, i think Rijkaard AND Pep used Txiki’s squad, and Cruyff/Ajax’s system.
Rijkaard had the good sense to let a World Class Ronnie and Deco run the show, but not the sense to stop them once their priorities were skewed.
Pep had used the desperation of not winning anything in two years to inspire hard work and hunger into Txiki’s squad while applying great tactics to a proven system.
Pep apparently has learned from Rijakaard’s mistake of complacency and wants to change, and evolve, even though “nothing is broken”.
at least thats what my pair o’ pennies tell me…
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From an economic perpective: Laporta/Pep’s decision makes a lot of sense IMO
1. selling a “bad apple”,
2. in the last year of his contract
3. Man City decided to opt out of the race to buy him
4. He may be an awesome striker but it’s only because of the people around him.I would honestly prefer Villa any day because of his work ethic and finishing but Laporta knows he’s not going to make anything of one of the greatest strikers in the world if he stays and leaves on a free next year. So, effectively we should make a decent sum of money of a player who has more than paid us back in his 5 years here. secondly, his motivation has waned and i think a player like Villa/Ibra would be scoring for fun with people like messi, xavi and iniesta behind them.
Lets be honest.. Ibra is a good finisher and his height is going to be the difference in games against teams like Chelsea, Liverpool etc is the existence of a Plan B. Pep had everything last season but u knew he rode his luck against chelsea. he probably decided after that match itself that he needed a Big ceter forward with the skill to compliment his midfielders and he will have his wish granted..
PS. Hope Villa comes too though..
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2 things-
1)OKkkkkkkk. Just when I wen I was started to get worried. This is why my boy Thiago is not in London right now- http://sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=631050&idseccio_PK=803
He’s playing the European U-19 Cup with Oriol Romeu. Also there are traitors/victims of agents (don’t know the whole story) Iago Falqué and Fran Merida who are also from the Cantera.
2) Like I said previously, it makes even more sense purely financially speaking. One year of having Samu (which is our asset) is NOT worth 35 million Euros like Marca and the others suggest. Opportunity Cost (what IF we had sold him to Citeh for 35 million?) is technically irrelevant in relation to our finance books and financial health.
For all intents and purposes, we are spending 40-50 mill (depending on who you believe) + salary increase over the next 4-5 years – the H;eb income (if thats true) and replacing an asset with one of more value (not because Ibra is a much better player but because his contract will be brand new.
Its actually not that far from the Alves buy and people didn’t scream bloody murder back then.
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Alves was going to replace Zambrotta, and nobody is going to argue against that. but there were still some who were screaming and moaning like Kayden Kross partly because they didn’t believe he was a good player, and because of the big money spent, but as you say, which Perez has been saying too to tell the truth, when you buy a player he moves to your balance sheet as an asset, his yearly amortization to the income statement is expected to be offset by the Revenues he generates. in the end Alves deal wasn’t expensive although it involved big cash payment.
it is the very same with Ibrahimovic, people didn’t watch him the whole season, that’s why they claim his work rate is low, he misses sitters..and they see in the news that Barcelona hands a suitcase full of money to Inter, but they don’t see the revenues generated. even the worst marketing team can generate big profits with a squad that includes Messi, Henry, Ibrahimovic and all of them are Nike sponsored.
by the way I don’t give a flying fuck if Laporta sold his cloths to get Ibrahimovic, the financial loss of sport can be dealt with a way or another, but being humiliated by your arch rivals leaves a bitter taste that lives for ages everytime you remember it. I don’t really understand why fans care that much about the club spending so much, at least it is our money.Posted from
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@ cesc pistol (awesome name btw):
at this blog we don’t call people names like “mental patient” or “retard”. it’s what makes this place so fantastic! please don’t mess that atmosphere up..just give your rational opinion, but don’t insult people.. play the ball, not the player.
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@Mast…’Play the ball, not the player’ may be the best moniker for this site. Well played!
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Couldn’t have said it better myself, Mast. Cesc Pistol’s comments have been edited. Love the passion, but we don’t attack each other over here.
So….Eto’o is in Milan, say the rags, being hidden from the press while negotiations are still ongoing.
And Mascherano is back in the frame? Weirdness. I know that makes Hector happy, but I say either do it, or not. Maybe Guardiola put his foot down or something. I still say Mascherano is a starter, rather than a fill-in while The Yaya is at ACN. But in Pep we trust, right?
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@Ramzi: I think that Villa would still not have been that classic big, can play with his back to goal striker that Guardiola has been craving since he arrived. And Valencia were determined to make that one messy and expensive. As long as we’re spending 50m, might as well spend it on Guardiola’s dream player, then we can see his ideas implemented the way he wants, fully and completely. If I’m making sense at almost 6 a.m. here.
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Fair play guys. I’m generally composed but some people make me lose my patience…Not only did he not know anything, he dares to criticize our blood, our hero because of what, 1 loudmouth player?
These plastic player-fans are those with whom I’ll never, ever be patient with.
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Cesc, you should give a look over to the ‘discussions’ over at Pep’s place (fcbtransfers) to see the difference between this place and most others.
It is always civil and informative and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. People are invited to back up their opinions rather than being shot down and insulted.However, you are openly invited to blast Hleb at every opportunity
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on pep’s place it is said eto’o is negotiating with barcelona over an exit bonus.. are these “exit bonusses” common? The first time I heard of those is with adebayor. It’s for players who are sold against their will? but if eto’o agrees a contract with inter, how can it be against his will, I mean it isn’t logical is it?
and hleb still hasn’t heard from inter, so it could be a deal totaly apart from the Big Swap..
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Yeah, I’ve never heard of these exit bonuses either. What’s up with them?
Signing bonus, sure, but that’s not for Barça to pay, right?
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Kevin-
My mancrush on Mascherano is well known. However, I’m not stupid either. He and Yaya are both starter material so unless Iniesta gets moved to left wing or we change the formation, it probably won’t work out. Will we? I guess we’ll see.
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Also, for a president who claimed he was going to “Spanishize” Real Madrid, FloPer has now brought in 3 foreigners and gotten rid of a Spaniard canterano (Javi Garcia). Congratulations, FloPer, you’re a douchebag.
(It should be noted I give a flying carbuncle where players are from, but FloPer is a typical hypocritical windbag of a moron and that needed pointed out…again)
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I’ve heard about these bonusses for the first time, but now that this topic has come up publicly, a lot of players seem to want it. Huntelaar is also negotiating about it with RM.
Oh, and Arsenal’s gotta be doomed. Nasri broke his leg and will return in mid-October…
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Assuming that the Ibra/Eto’o & Hleb deal is closed… who else are we gonna close?
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Shit, Nasri broke his leg? Arsenal IS screwed…unless that one Russia dude (whatever his name is) steps up big time.
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I wouldn’t mind suffering a carbuncle if it will bring Lavezzi.
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is it normal to pay the salary of a player loaned out?
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we might want to look into trying to sign that “one Russian dude”, once the Ibra deal is completed. not a likely signing, but certainly more reasonable (and cheaper) than Javier Mascherano. i’d reckon the rest of our transfer period will be scouring clubs for a ball-playing, versatile midfielder who isn’t a huge name a la Ribery or David Silva, who costs somewhere in the €15-20m range; particularly if we end up offloading Hleb (please!). i’d imagine the easiest way to do this is to probe clubs in Spain, as we’d also want this player to have a reliable standard in La Liga. that said, i can’t think of anyone off the top of my head that fits the bill.
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i heard that inter is approaching Lavezzi, or casano. well anyways..
the deal is getting closer and closer, do you think that Ibra will play against Chelsea, or maybe Eto’o is ready?
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@ Ciaran: I agree this place has a very good quality of posts and very calm, open and intelligent members. That is why I prefer to post here than anywhere else.
On the JM deal, the only way it works is with rotation and us modifying the 4-3-3 (4-1-2-2-1) to look like a 4-2-3-1. With that said, our opponents would just faint by seeing a front six of
——–Ibra——–
Iniesta–Xavi–Messi
—–Yaya—-JM—–
With Henry coming off the bench.Also I feel that due to the type of DM JM is, Yaya can be much more free and play a greater role in our attack, we all know he has the skills to but he is restricted by his responsibility.
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Cesc Pistol, the problem with Iniesta on the left wing is that you lose the goalscoring threat that Henry presents, while also sacrificing the possession-based magic that Iniesta/Xavi possess.
And Guardiola wants midfield help, but on the cheap, which also rules out Mascherano. It brings up my sole qualm about the Ibra deal, which is the departure of Hleb. Are we going to keep Gudjohnsen?
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First off, let me point out that I’m coming at this from a completely naive perspective. I’m not an attorney and have no idea how these negotiations work. But can someone tell me how negotiating a contract takes the better part of a week? They’ve had 2 three hour meetings with no resolution! Another one is scheduled for tonight or tomorrow. And so far, Moratti, the decision maker holding the keys, hasn’t been included in these meetings. What the hell are they doing?
This seems to be a European thing that I just don’t understand. It seems that if a player is traded in the US, or signed as a free agent, the two sides meet and a resolution comes within hours. Am I completely off base?
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It’s quite a bit easier here. In the case of a trade, the player’s existing contract holds, unless there’s a sweetening of some sort.
In this case, this will be the last real contract that Eto’o signs. He’s 28, so if he’s signing a 5-year deal, this will take him through the end of his truly effective career. That will take some time. Every i and every t has to be crossed.
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